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Grisgra 11-08-2005 05:29 PM

Re: Follow-up question:
 
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against the blinds you described, a big one

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Maybe slightly higher than average, but not much. He's got an aggressive 30/20 TAG to his left (me), and a loosey/aggressive 40/18 player on the button. He's in crappy blind-stealing position on those guys.

EvanJC 11-08-2005 08:28 PM

Re: Follow-up question:
 
whoops i guess i misread the original post

11-08-2005 08:31 PM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
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against an uber-aggressive player, I'd tend to fold A10s.

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The more aggressive the opponent, the more likely I'd be to three-bet, particularly if I have position after the flop.

baronzeus 11-08-2005 08:36 PM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
this part made me laugh [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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After the 100BB downswing I just had the last two days

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(not a shot at you at all--i know you know that 100BB is nothing--just chuckled when i saw "100BB" and "downswing" in the same sentence)

NLSoldier 11-08-2005 09:59 PM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
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this part made me laugh [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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After the 100BB downswing I just had the last two days

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(not a shot at you at all--i know you know that 100BB is nothing--just chuckled when i saw "100BB" and "downswing" in the same sentence)

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Yeah I just typed out a big rant about this but then deleted it when I saw your post. The post made a lot more sense the first time when I read it to say "1000BB downswing"

flawless_victory 11-08-2005 10:57 PM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
OMG
of course
you
raise

El Ishmael 11-09-2005 12:08 AM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
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OMG
of course
you
raise

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I love you flawvic.

Grisgra 11-09-2005 02:32 PM

My thoughts.
 
The consensus seems to be that ATs is a marginal but +EV raise in this situation. There were one or two folders, probably a bit more "Duh I raise with even less" folks, but for the most part this was right on the line for most.

I ran some Pokerstoves, and against a typical TAG preflop range for the HJ in a 5-handed game I'm running almost exactly 50-50. Against a good player, I'm not sure that's enough; yes, I have position, but there are three people behind me that are perfectly able to pick up a real hand.

I think that this player's PFR stat has thrown some people off -- yes, he's a 35/30 player, but the difference between a 35/30 player and a 30/20 player isn't so much the play in the HJ but more likely blind play (a lot more defense and 3-betting from the SB and BB.)

Long story short, I 3-bet, the BB called, he called, and we went to a flop of AT5r. The rest of the hand played itself . . . that is, I ended up capping the turn when a blank fell and lost to his pocket aces (tricky on his part. I don't *think* he capped preflop.)

Still not convinced this was a good raise in this situation, but it looks like it was so close that I really shouldn't beat myself up here.

Jeff W 11-09-2005 02:38 PM

Re: Back To Basics. Annoyingly simple preflop question.
 
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On that note, what's the minimum you need to pop it to three bets?

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I'm going to arbitrarily assume he opens 25.2% of his hands in this position:

{ 44+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

I'd 3-bet him with any hand that is 45% or better against his range:

44, A2s, A8o, KTs, KJo, QJs.

EvanJC 11-09-2005 03:16 PM

Re: My thoughts.
 
everybody gets outplayed sometimes =) of course its rediculous for me to give you advice, but why not drop down and kill the 20 for awhile? It sounds like you've never really experienced an extended period of losing - which on one hand is ideal, but on the other has maybe stunted your growth as a poker player - 100bb swings shouldn't phase you. good luck and i hope things turn around with the quickness.


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