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Or TT, or AQ, or 88.. just about anything with the donks around, to be honest.

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I was the third one in with KK from the bb in a 55 yesterday, and was up against AQo and A6s. So no, never fold, except for the aforementioned ridiculous bubble scenarios.

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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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Here's an example of a $55 hand I played this past Monday.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)

Preflop:
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, CO calls t75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1000 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t985 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MPC folds, CO folds.

As Hero, I fold QQ here only with a read (i.e. I've played you a few times before and I have some sort of notes), and I call KK regardless (&lt;-- [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) of read. I did fold QQ here because I did have notes and a read on the SB from previous games, and got to see KK from the SB. I would have called if it was two randoms.

I can't imagine the situation where I'd fold KK in a $33 or $55 SNG. Even with a very strong read, there is just too much chance it could be AKs or QQ.

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dont forget that youll flop a K when you do run into AA.

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I hate this reasoning. I've always hated this reasoning and I don't understand why people use it.

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i don't think anyone uses it as reasoning

it's just a joke

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i folded KK at a 55 lvl 1.

utg limps, MP1 minraises, I reraises from CO, SB reraises around half his stack, utg limp reraises all in, MP1 calls.

im still not sure if i liked my fold. they turned up QQ, JJ, and 99 or something.

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they turn up things other than AA often enough to make it +ev to push/call push with KK

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i don't think anyone uses it as reasoning

it's just a joke

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I see it waaaaay too often without the smiley faces for it to be a joke. I think people actually factor the chances that they will hit into their decision, and neglect to factor in the chance that someone else will hit on them if they're the one ahead.

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i don't think anyone uses it as reasoning

it's just a joke

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I see it waaaaay too often without the smiley faces for it to be a joke. I think people actually factor the chances that they will hit into their decision, and neglect to factor in the chance that someone else will hit on them if they're the one ahead.

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kyro, you need a doctor...your sarcasm detector is broken.

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I think people actually factor the chances that they will hit into their decision

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This should be part of your decision?

you still have 20% to crack aces.. why wouldn't your chance to win vs one of his possible hands, be a factor in making yoru decision?