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10-05-2005 08:41 AM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
What button had on the second hand?

imported_The Vibesman 10-05-2005 08:48 AM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
I'd slow down on the river actually, probably bet/call.

jrz1972 10-05-2005 09:09 AM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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His pre-flop 3-bet, then call on the flop and raise on the turn should have set off alarms.

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Yep. We can disagree on precisely where Hero should have slowed down, but at some point Hero needs to realize that villain knows he has a big pair and is still merrily blasting away.

KSOT 10-05-2005 02:51 PM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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What button had on the second hand?

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Set of 7s.

3-bets me with pocket 7s... THE RAGE!

milesdyson 10-05-2005 02:55 PM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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What button had on the second hand?

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Set of 7s.

3-bets me with pocket 7s... THE RAGE!

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um villain played his hand perfectly. 77 looks way good against an MP3 open raise.

homebrewer 10-05-2005 03:21 PM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
I find that whenever a hand like this occurs, reads are VERY important. Without reads, I would guess that if you approached these kinds of hands(that don't really happen that many times in 1 session) the SAME way each time (i.e., slowing down or continuing to jam the pot) then you'd probably end up about even - all other things constant (same number of players in the hand, no reads, etc). I've got to show down and seen AK, AQs, AA, QQ, JJ, and TT in these situations. Generally, though. Against LAGish villians, I'm playing this fast. Against a tighty, I'm slowing down on the river.

bottomset 10-05-2005 06:53 PM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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What button had on the second hand?

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Set of 7s.

3-bets me with pocket 7s... THE RAGE!

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um unless you are very rocky, this is a perfectly standard 3bet OTB .. he played the hand better than you did by far, though I'm pretty sure he needs to 3bet the turn

KSOT 10-06-2005 05:33 AM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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um unless you are very rocky, this is a perfectly standard 3bet OTB

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um what?

Where can I find the part about reraising with mid pockets in SSHE? IIRC, it never says to reraise with less than 10s pre-flop, regardless of position. Do I have to unlearn more of this forum's bible now?

Shillx 10-06-2005 05:43 AM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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um unless you are very rocky, this is a perfectly standard 3bet OTB

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um what?

Where can I find the part about reraising with mid pockets in SSHE? IIRC, it never says to reraise with less than 10s pre-flop, regardless of position. Do I have to unlearn more of this forum's bible now?

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3 folds to a maniac who raises. You are next to act in MP2 with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Your play?

All fold to an unknown button who raises. You have 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB. Your move?

Poker is not a big chart dude. You have to recognize the situation and figure out what play is best. While SSH is correct in many circumstances, there are many times where it doesn't fit. Poker is a complicated game...they can't fit it all into a book. If they could, the game would be pointless to take part in.

Brad

KSOT 10-06-2005 03:27 PM

Re: This is an unquestionable \'dont stop raisin\' hand, right?
 
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3 folds to a maniac who raises. You are next to act in MP2 with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Your play?

All fold to an unknown button who raises. You have 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB. Your move?

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Probably raise and call.

I don't see how that justifies reraising a tight MP3 with 7s...


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