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But if you can't even make logical arguments with fellow Christians, then you have no hope of ever persuading thinking non-believers.

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Now that's a hoot.

Perhaps they should concentrate on non-thinking non-believers? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

And what are the axioms behind your last statement?

-Zeno

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That it is axiomatic that you have a greater chance to persuade non-thinking individuals to believe in anything.

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I don't believe any of them have a stranglehold on Truth. but, I don't believe that is the point, either.

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Actually that is the point baggins. Because such a belief, i.e. that no denomination possess 100% of the truth has certain logical implications. Mainly for carrying out the great commission of evangelizing. Reread my posts above and see if you get it.

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"I give tons more respect to the intellectually honest views of atheists and agnostics like andy or David, than I do to any Christian who either can't formulate logically correct views, denies logical implications, or worse yet can't even see them."

I like this statement very much. We could live in a perfect world subject only to the laws of nature if it wasn't for all those other religions and philosophies messing things up.

World peace and harmony would be achieved as long as everyone would consent to the rule of logic, which only true Catholics or true scientists/mathematicians seem to do. Of course, the agnostics and atheists would still go to Hell, but at least we would have a good time together before death.

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Did some Christians recently rough you up in the parking lot?

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"I give tons more respect to the intellectually honest views of atheists and agnostics like andy or David, than I do to any Christian who either can't formulate logically correct views, denies logical implications, or worse yet can't even see them."

I like this statement very much. We could live in a perfect world subject only to the laws of nature if it wasn't for all those other religions and philosophies messing things up.

World peace and harmony would be achieved as long as everyone would consent to the rule of logic, which only true Catholics or true scientists/mathematicians seem to do. Of course, the agnostics and atheists would still go to Hell, but at least we would have a good time together before death."

How much would you charge me to have a debate with Not Ready or udon'tknow mickey?

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How much would you charge me to have a debate with Not Ready or udon'tknow mickey?

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It's no fair offerring to have him to box logical welterweights.

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I don't believe any of them have a stranglehold on Truth. but, I don't believe that is the point, either.

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Actually that is the point baggins. Because such a belief, i.e. that no denomination possess 100% of the truth has certain logical implications. Mainly for carrying out the great commission of evangelizing. Reread my posts above and see if you get it.

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no. it's not. Jesus commanded us to go out and baptize people of all nations in the name of Christ. not in the name of the Catholic church, or the baptist church, or the eastern orthodox church, or the Church of England, or any other denomination.

the point is not any one denomination having a stranglehold on Truth. the point is that we know enough to go out and serve and carry out Christ's mission for the church.

(now, if we are talking about Catholic church meaning a universal church, and not the Holy Roman Catholic Church following Papal orders and decrees and bishops and dioceses, then we may be closer to agreeing than you might think.)

there are many kinds of Truth. we are not called to sit around and ponder intellectual truths all day (at least not solely). we are called to live the Truth of the good news of Jesus Christ, and to love other people as He loves us. I'm talking truth in action. bold, relentless, active truth. not just logical imperatives regarding the minutiae of archaic theological sticking points for ivory tower academics (or even thinking lay people).

do you have to be a bible scholar or a master theologian to feed the hungry, take care of the sick and poor, or comfort the hurting people in this world?

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do you have to be a bible scholar or a master theologian to feed the hungry, take care of the sick and poor, or comfort the hurting people in this world?

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Not at all. But you do have to be able to see the logical implications that certain beliefs have in regards to being successful in persuading non-believers to accept the gospel. You really need to reread my original and following posts. Since I know you believe that God expects you to share the faith, then you should also believe that He expects you to try to do it in a way that has the greatest chances for getting non-believers to accept it. Same as maximizing your EV in poker.

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For a formal debate, I would want an autographed copy of your next book (shipping included) oh god of poker.

BluffTHIS is right, any Catholic who knows his basic apologetics should be able to logically trounce all takers.

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They tried, but I slew them in the spirit and excorcised their demons as their bodies convulsed and made funny noises. I also cured them of the cancer they never knew they had.

I can do the same for you if you will purchase my next Rapture video. It is sure to happen in 1999, 2001, errr 2006.

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For a formal debate, I would want an autographed copy of your next book (shipping included) oh god of poker.

BluffTHIS is right, any Catholic who knows his basic apologetics should be able to logically trounce all takers.

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I havent participated in a while, you guys need me to spell you for a bit. I still have Judaism piece languishing on the back burner. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]