Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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sometimes the math clouds the poker in you.

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Great quote.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

Im with Barron and GoT here. Given the range of hands, the pot, what u can make on the river if u do hit (or lose)...u pretty much have to fold here.

Nice posts from both of you IMO.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

Why wouldn't utg+1, noticing you're doing a lot of opening, cold-call with JJ-99 and then cr the flop? Does he have to have a boat on the turn? Even if he does, you still have 2 outs. You're implied odds are somewhat close to 22:1. Doesn't the possibility that you're straight outs are good make up for the deficit in implied odds? Don't the weak callers in the hand also make up for the poor immediate odds as well?

This is confusing. Are you that sure you only have two outs and that's it? Is it possible you KNOW you're drawing dead to quad fives?

Or is the problem that you have both utg+1 and the fp to worry about? And you strongly believe (know) one of them has you badly beat?

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Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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This and tilt are by far my biggest leaks.

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Heya Baronzeus,

I'd just like to know just how GoT calling another bet on the turn in this particualr hand a big leak?

Thanks

Lawrence

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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I've played in that game for a year and I can tell you that it's a loser. It's a winner for you yesterday, since they were all clowns (not the normal lineup), and you're from out of town.

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77 5 off the button I play as well.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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This and tilt are by far my biggest leaks.

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Heya Baronzeus,

I'd just like to know just how GoT calling another bet on the turn in this particualr hand a big leak?

Thanks

Lawrence

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I think he is talking about putting in bets when you know you should fold in general.

but I agree this exact situation can in no way be a big leak to anybodys game.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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I find myself rethinking the math and trying to find a way where I can be justified in calling here.

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Can you explain why the math says you shouldn't call here? It looks like a very easy call to me.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

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This and tilt are by far my biggest leaks.

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Heya Baronzeus,

I'd just like to know just how GoT calling another bet on the turn in this particualr hand a big leak?

Thanks

Lawrence

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No, I'm not saying THIS is a big leak. This is clearly a marginal error, if that. I'm saying knowing the right move and not following my own judgment is a leak of mine.

Re: I Still Can\'t Do It : 77 UTG
 

I have way too little stats, but I think most players would be advised to draw the line at 8-8 UTG in full ring-games, and actually I think 8-8 is closer to a fold than 7-7 is to a raise.

In soft games, one can probably open-limp sevens and sixes and possibly all pairs, even from UTG.

lars

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I realize this isn't the point of your post, but isn't "plays too tightly preflop" and "He hesitates and cold-calls, which a first for the session. Immediate thoughts were 44-88" contradictory ideas? I play pretty tightly preflop. I'm not sure if it could be characterized as too tight, but I don't cold call with 55..

I know you're a respected poster and earn a boatload of $$ playing this game, but this post really seems like bragging to me. Complaining that you didn't fold a hand with potential outs in a big pot.. Is that really that big of a mistake?