Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

Ahem I mentioned it in my post.. "I might lead the turn as well"

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

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Ahem I mentioned it in my post.. "I might lead the turn as well"

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ya, sorry i meant the general idea that checking and calling is a poor play. it has its places, but in general...it is suboptimal.

he check called flop, turn and the way it went he should have called the river

so thats check, call...check, call...check, call

doesn't that make anybody else wince?

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

FWIW, I agree. It seems a very passive line for a TAG to take. I might use it very very occasionally when I am trying to induce a bluff or when my hand has showdown value or something.. but here I just don't like it much.

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

Big deal, passive play is fine...

...just not on that turn, that's a turn bet. I can also see a river lead. Or a river call. Or something other than a fold, because an ace hit and many of his nice semibluffing hands have one in it. If you were gonna fold, fold the turn (I wouldn't.)

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

I usually lead the flop and then fold there to resistance...
but I can see the value of check/calling the flop....

but I don't understand check/calling the turn....whats the thinking?

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

I actually think check-call on the flop is almost mandatory because otherwise the reverse implied odds could get really messy, and you can just get raised off by a flush draw or whatever pretty easily. But when the board both pairs AND gives you trips on the turn, I would bet this turn a lot of the time. The rest of the time I would check/raise. Maybe 1% check/call to induce a bluff on the river from a particularly big LAG but pretty damn rarely. However that doesn't seem to have been the OP's plan here as he folded the river.. so I don't understand.

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

I agree with tigerite's entire line.

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

It dawned on me last night, as I lie awake in bed, why it is that I check the river rather than bet. And why it is that I make the river call....

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

Wait, I agree that a check on the flop is almost mandatory.

But what about an unplanned C/R? BB checked. UTG+1 tossed out a weird probe bet or draw/protect bet. MP2 folded. How about a raise to 70? BB likely folds or reveals his very strong hand. UTG+1 either correctly folds his draw, takes bad odds on a draw, or reveals strength. Situation somewhat clarified.

Thoughts?

Re: Play from the blinds: T3o
 

A check-raise is possible on the flop, the problem is when called it leaves you with a bloated pot on the turn and the whole RIO comes into it again. Where possible you should try not to c-r the flop OOP if you can't get all-in by doing so, because the decisions on the turn can turn nasty.