Re: A tough spot w a big pretty flop
 

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i call for the same reasons. i would check the turn no matter what comes -- if you hit the heart or an ace, you can checkraise all-in

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I act last.

Re: A tough spot w a big pretty flop
 

good point. d'oh. if the turn blanks you have to fold, but if a heart or an ace falls, bet or raise. i'd put your opponent on 2 pair or a big draw of some sort. his raise seems to be a "get out of here" raise rather than a "call my nuts" raise.

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You've convinced me that a call/fold line on the turn is probably best. Added benefit is that a cold call with position might give the villian cold feet on pulling the trigger again and they may chicken out on any move they were planning, or mistakingly think they can get a double play from you, or induce a call on the river by being too tricky on the turn -- giving you of course a very very dangerous free river card.

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or $225 more making the pot size $375 with me to call $225 and a payoff of $615.

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your math is off. my original post was off $10 pf, but the pot is more like $85 preflop, my $75 plus his call=$235. then he raises whats in the pot, making the pot $470, with $235 left to call, and he has like $600 left to bet.

assuming i call and hit a flush and take his stack, i have flop pot odds of 4.55 to 1, but sometimes I wont take his whole stack, and sometimes another A or K may be good as well. there is also a (small) chance he checks the turn after my flat call.

I think those cancel eachother out though, and I do have reasonable odds to see a turn card.

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You've convinced me that a call/fold line on the turn is probably best.

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i was 5 mins too late with my (not-so) fancy math. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: A tough spot w a big pretty flop
 

Any results for this one?

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I seriously must be terrible at PLHE, because I cannot imagine why you would not put all your money in on this flop.

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I rather fold on the flop, then call the flop bet and fold on the turn.

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what range do you put villain on?

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what range do you put villain on?

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It seems like he could make this play with a wide range of hands. If people play AhKh this passively on this flop, he is probably correct to make this play with every hand. Seems like you can make a lot of money at PLHE if nobody every calls you unless they have a set.