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jaxUp 12-17-2005 05:12 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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I think the flop call is good with you backdoor draws and your ace overcard. Is betting the turn bad?

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He is very worried about a c/r here.

ajm36 12-17-2005 05:24 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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He is very worried about a c/r here.

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Do you attempt to attach any fold equity to this turn bet. For instance, if it was 33% you would make up for those times you were checkraised and lost--is this wrong.

bottomset 12-17-2005 05:30 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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He is very worried about a c/r here.

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Do you attempt to attach any fold equity to this turn bet. For instance, if it was 33% you would make up for those times you were checkraised and lost--is this wrong.

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I don't think he's folding there very often, I picked up outs, and have position, time to use it

Xhad 12-17-2005 02:40 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">bottomset raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, bottomset calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
bottomset checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
bottomset checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, bottomset calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">bottomset bets</font>

good, bad, horrible??

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If you think you can push villain off an A with a flop c/r, turn bet combo, then I'd go with that. River donk is good.

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I was villian that hand and agree with all of the above. I was thinking after that hand that it probably wouldn't have occurred to me to bet/fold that river in your place, but I think it's absolutely the correct thing to do because:

-I'm probably not raising anything you beat
-I would usually check behind with AQ/AJs but I'm certainly not folding either to your bet
-I may or may not raise with an overpair if you bet but I'm definitely betting if you check

bottomset 12-18-2005 01:16 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
next time have AQ

Xhad 12-18-2005 10:28 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
I'll try. I'll also try not to hit a 20BB upswing as soon as I sit down next time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Entity 12-18-2005 11:40 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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i agree completely with bottomset here. underplaying AK/AQ preflop is really good against tags. watch the pwnage.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results:
Hero has As Kd (three of a kind, aces).
CO has Ah 7c (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.75 BB.

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CO should fold preflop.

Entity 12-18-2005 11:43 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party
 
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again vs jaxup

flop peel good?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">bottomset raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, bottomset calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, bottomset checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, bottomset checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

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Peel is good if Jax sucks at betting OOP and likes to check-call to snap off bluffs.

Rob


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