Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
 

I think the real question here is not whether or not the death penalty is appropriate. It is whether or not doing good deeds while in prison should cause the justice system to lighten his sentence.

On another note, this criminal appears to want to discourage violence. I think that the best way to do that is for him to accept his fate and be accountable for the damage he has done.

Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
 

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I think the real question here is not whether or not the death penalty is appropriate. It is whether or not doing good deeds while in prison should cause the justice system to lighten his sentence.

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The two ideas are inseperable IMO. The death penalty is enforced based solely on the person's crime. If Mother Teresa killed three people in texs her life or service would have zero weight in the case.

I think the real issue is that people are seeing that the death penalty kills good people too, thats why its so terrible.

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On another note, this criminal appears to want to discourage violence. I think that the best way to do that is for him to accept his fate and be accountable for the damage he has done.

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It has been shown many times over that the death penalty does little to detter violent criminals. Thus your idea that he should take his lumps is pointless, he would die and the only thing it will acomplish is a revenge vendetta.

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why is all of a sudden the "cool thing" to get scum like this off death row?

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Because the death penalty is flawed, outdated and barbaric. Just as it was the cool thing to stop drawing and quartering people.

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Well, finally something upon which we largely agree.

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I think he should spend the rest of his life in jail.

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Oh, he will. It won't be very long, but he will certainly spend the rest of his life in jail.

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but isnt the purpose of the criminal justice system is to reform convicts? Just stay out of Hollywood Park, Normandie, crystal park and all the other casinos if he gets executed... I smell 1992 all over again.

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But are you certain that those 12 people decided without bias of any kind, and with access to all of the facts? Just because a jury finds somebody guilty doesn't mean they were, as has been shown countless times for even death row inmates.

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That he hasn't won any appeals is further confirmation.

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I'm no lawyer, but don't appeals have more to do with scrutinizing the judge's rulings about evidence, testimony, et al, and not the conclusion the jury reached?

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I'm also not a lawyer, but all those things affect the outcome of the trial and if any of them were unfair to this guy, I'm sure it would have been brought up on appeal.

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More than few posts supporting his execution and nobody says why our society is better served by executing this man.

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But are you certain that those 12 people decided without bias of any kind, and with access to all of the facts? Just because a jury finds somebody guilty doesn't mean they were, as has been shown countless times for even death row inmates.

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That he hasn't won any appeals is further confirmation.

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I'm no lawyer, but don't appeals have more to do with scrutinizing the judge's rulings about evidence, testimony, et al, and not the conclusion the jury reached?

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I'm also not a lawyer, but all those things affect the outcome of the trial and if any of them were unfair to this guy, I'm sure it would have been brought up on appeal.

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My point is that the trial could have been fair throughout (proper evidentiary rulings and such), and the jury could still have reached a mistaken verdict that all the appeals in the world couldn't change. One of the issues that have been brought up is that a few of the witnesses for the prosecution weren't necessarily reliable. I'm not sure the appeals process could rectify that.

Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
 

In theory I am in favor of the death penalty, but the legal system in the U.S. had made the death penalty ineffective.

With that said...fry Tuki Williams.

Re: Should the governator grant stanley TUKI williams clemency?
 

guys, i started a thread in OOT about this with some interesting facts. then i pwned a clown named capo. check it out.