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and El D is exactly right! the majority of people who fly confederate flags are not doing it b/c of 'heritage' or whatever.

just b/c some well meaning people do doesn't mean the majority don't.

for the thousandth time: flying the conf. flag did not become popular until the Civil Rights movements. if the flag really stood for heritage, this would not be the case.

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Kneel, I've never really noticed your posts before, but you'ev been remarkably right int his thread. Challah!

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Man, is that why the emblem got put on so many states flags in 1894? Because of the civil rights movement in the 1950's and 1960's? Wow, I got totally owned here.

BTW, it's obvious that the flag grew in popularity in the 1950's but to say it wasn't popular before is just ridiculous.

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what a jack ass. Massachusetts is about as liberal a state as they come, and the 2 most popular Red Sox players over the past 10 years have both been Dominican.

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And Boston is also considered a notoriously racist city. Barry Bonds is far from the first person to say this.

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The Boston Bruins were the first NHL team with a black player (Willie O'Ree). This doesn't happen by accident.

Wasn't Bill Russell the first black coach of an NBA team?

FYI, everyplace everywhere has its racist contingent. Even OOT.

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and El D is exactly right! the majority of people who fly confederate flags are not doing it b/c of 'heritage' or whatever.

just b/c some well meaning people do doesn't mean the majority don't.

for the thousandth time: flying the conf. flag did not become popular until the Civil Rights movements. if the flag really stood for heritage, this would not be the case.

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Kneel, I've never really noticed your posts before, but you'ev been remarkably right int his thread. Challah!

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Man, is that why the emblem got put on so many states flags in 1894? Because of the civil rights movement in the 1950's and 1960's? Wow, I got totally owned here.

BTW, it's obvious that the flag grew in popularity in the 1950's but to say it wasn't popular before is just ridiculous.

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fine, I'll revise my statement to say that it had a huge popularity gain during the Civil Rights movement

the conclusion remains the same

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(and as I stated before, less than 5% of Confederate flag-flyers are doing so to celebrate their willingness to do what is correct and fight for states rights)


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According to a Lewis Harris pole. 68% of the blacks in the south disagree with you.

How many incorrect facts are we going to say in this thread? I'm not even talking opinions, I'm just talking about facts!

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(and as I stated before, less than 5% of Confederate flag-flyers are doing so to celebrate their willingness to do what is correct and fight for states rights)


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According to a Lewis Harris pole. 62% of the blacks in the south disagree with you.

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Oh, so 62% of blacks in the south feel that more than 5% of Confederate flag-flyers are doing so to celebrate their willingness to do what is correct and fight for states rights? What a strange pole question.

EDIT: It's also awesome that in the time I was replying, you had to correct your facts. Irony!

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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

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If you wouldn't mind explaining which state right, besides the right to slavery, irked the South enough to secede? Funny how there was no push for secession when state's rights were infringed through tariffs (which had not been contentious for almost 30 years when Lincoln was elected).
But somehow once Lincoln, who opposes the further expansion of slavery (and hence the loss of power of slave states in the senate in the future), gets elected they care enough to secede.
I find it highly implausible to claim that state's rights other than slavery, which were not endangered in any way by Lincoln, were sufficient motivation for the South to fight over.

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Barry Bonds reply when asked if he'd like to be traded to Boston: Too many racists there.

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what a jack ass. Massachusetts is about as liberal a state as they come, and the 2 most popular Red Sox players over the past 10 years have both been Dominican.

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This reminds me of the old quote: "I'm not racist - I'm have friends that are black people!"

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EDIT: It's also awesome that in the time I was replying, you had to correct your facts. Irony!

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I'll edit again. It was 68% of the blacks nation wide and 92% of the people in the south OF ALL RACES.

Poll was in 1994.

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what a jack ass. Massachusetts is about as liberal a state as they come, and the 2 most popular Red Sox players over the past 10 years have both been Dominican.

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And Boston is also considered a notoriously racist city. Barry Bonds is far from the first person to say this.

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Just an extension on this - While the Sox were sticking to their caucasian guns, they chose not to sign Willie Mays, one of the best half-dozen players in history and Bonds' godfather. Probably where BB got the idea.

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wacki,
its pretty naive of you to think that such a large % of people understand the politics behind the civil war when half the people in this country can't identify a picture of the VP or tell you who chopped down the cherry tree. you think they understand the issues of state vs federal govt?

they were given a question. one response makes the respondee sound intelligent and toughtful. the other makes them sound like an idiot. how do you think they would respond?

As for how many incorrect facts I am going to give, well you're bringing up 1, which I still will support regardless of your poll. meanwhile i have asked you two questions (wtf did my criticism of souther pop-culture, the socio-economic situation, and the obesity rate have to do with freedom of speech and where is there HATE found in that statement? and why is the south SO drastically different than CA if we rebelled because the Federal govt is impeding on our states rights?) that you have not bothered to answer.

Big gulps huh? Well, see ya later!