Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

I'm sure you were never a losing player before, always a winner right from day 1, winning big money, right?

I didn't think so

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Maybe you should try looking through this forum a little bit more carefully. It's the best poker resource available online and probably the most valuable resource period. Try contributing some of your ideas in other people's posts; you might actually learn something.
Also have fun going to jail after you win the WSOP and dodge taxes.

PS- Telling us about your broken hand and begging for pity is quite a bit more off topic than people discussing taxes.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

In all honesty, I think OP's intentions were good, but his tone was just abrasive. Yes this is a poker forum and people are at a level where discussing taxes is a serious issue and I think T-cat understands that now. If people wish to continue to hate, please contribute to my Christmas Haiku thread in OOT.

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My friend, said I should come here to talk about poker, that it was a good site to get feedback from other players. So far I think I've asked 2 or 3 questions and no one has been able to provide any real information to my questions.

Most of the posts on here have to do with players dreaming about how much money they'll make next year, what the tax ramifications are, and in general just patting each other on the back for being oh wise poker players,

Just a bit of advice, isn't there a famous saying about not counting your chickens before they hatch? Maybe you should spend more time focusing on poker and less time on your winnings, and in the end you'll see you've actually been focused on your winnings the correct way.

Later, gotta find the answers to some tough poker questions, pretty sure no one on here knows or if they did they wouldn't tell me.

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I'm sorry you feel that way, I do see a great deal of truth to what you are saying. It's important to focus strategy more than "how much money your going to make." I think that many players think about strategy and theory so much that there heads hurt. I'm more fun to think about money. But, you can find actual help!!!! Just ask you questions, and any questions or search for them. Not everyone just wants to poor out there money making tips that have taken extremely long to learn. This forum takes time, just like anything else in the world. But, I guarantee this forum can make you money!!!! you just gotta work for it. If you have a question you can always message me, I'll try not to give you a BS answer!!!
Peace out

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

If the OP would bother to go to the strategy forums then he would see more strategy discussions into every single little freaking detail of the game to certainly satisfy anyone who is trying to learn.


The forum is not that complicated to figure out nor to navigate.



regarding the heads-up match....my money is on lehighguy.

OP seems to have some significant tilt potential just based on these posts.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Cut your losses and stop pissing people off man. Most people here are very wiling to help you out. Some have, but you didn't read all the posts in your previous threads. So you made a mistake and didn't realize which forum you should be posting in, it's not a big deal. Just move on and try to contribute and learn.

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I'm coming here to learn all I can to be a winning player, be a GREAT player, in 2 years I want to be in the WSOP (2007), in 5 years I want to make the money and after that who knows, but I know I will never stop feeling like I have more to learn and I won't stop to spend the majority of my time counting money, I don't do that when I leave the Casino, I don't worry about money I worry about poker, I think maybe you should too

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what a coincidence.
I too am interested in making a million-gazillion dollars as a great player.



FWIW - worrying about money is what great player should be doing.
Bankroll considerations are extremely important for any aspiring poker-professional

If you weren't worrying about money then you could constantly be taking tons of shots while WAY under-bankrolled like so many Phil Ivey wanna-be's.


Or you can be aware that bankroll considerations as well as playing within your own emotional/psychological tolerance (not playing so high that you are playing too scared or recklessly or whatever) and discuss that aspect too.


It's all important.


Obviously it's also important to just play good poker and play your hands as strongly as possible.
that's why we have SO MANY freaing threads in all of the strategy forums to discuss such things.


OP also seemed annoyed at all the forums in the green-bar.

The reason there are SO MANY strategy forums is precisely BECAUSE we have had so many strategy discussions.
By breaking the forums into sub-groups we are able to direct the traffic a bit better and not have one forum be overwhelmed with too many discussions at the same time.


This was happening most recently in the heads-up/short-handed strategy forum (HUSH). We had 1/2 6-max limit players asking newbie Q's in the same forum that was designated for $20/$40 or $50/$100 6-handed or even 3-handed or heads-up.
Traffic was getting to be WAY too high.

So the moderators broke it up into Small Stakes HUSH and Mid-High Stakes HUSH and I think it has become MUCH better for the higher-stakes experts to have THEIR side and the low-stakes newbie's to have THEIR side where they can continue to learn and develop.


I'm just not sure why OP wouldn't bother checking out the strategy forums instead of just coming here and blasting away.

the idea that there isn't enough strategy discussion on 2+2 is really laughable (since there's actually so much it would be virtually impossible to actually digest it all imo).
However, I do agree that we tend to have a lot of threads that border on the pointless.
Obviously many of these are in the internet-forum and in the other-topics forum (WPT forum too I think).
But if these topics don't interest you then just go to the forum with the content that DOES interest you. It's not that hard.

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I'm sure you were never a losing player before, always a winner right from day 1, winning big money, right?

I didn't think so

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A number of the winners on these forums were winners from Day 1. We approached the game by reading quality 2+2 books, and in stakes we were bankrolled for, and were helped as we started by the amazing amount of information on this forum.

We didn't have to post to get this. We just read strategy posts, hand posts, bankroll posts, bonus whoring posts, anything we could. Hell, I didn't register for months after first visiting 2+2, since I didn't need to post to get the info I needed, I just had to look for it.

And by looking for it, I managed to find 5 related or totally unrelated threads that helped my game on top of the answer to the question I was looking for.

So once I started playing online poker, I was a winner. Before this, I had just played nickel and dime games of 7 Card Stud as Middle and High Schooler, and ignored Poker through my first two years of college.

If you subscribe to the theory that anything worth doing is worth doing right, you will find those sort of people began their poker careers as winners.

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I'm coming here to learn all I can to be a winning player, be a GREAT player, in 2 years I want to be in the WSOP (2007), in 5 years I want to make the money and after that who knows, but I know I will never stop feeling like I have more to learn and I won't stop to spend the majority of my time counting money, I don't do that when I leave the Casino, I don't worry about money I worry about poker, I think maybe you should too

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what a coincidence.
I too am interested in making a million-gazillion dollars as a great player.



FWIW - worrying about money is what great player should be doing.
Bankroll considerations are extremely important for any aspiring poker-professional

If you weren't worrying about money then you could constantly be taking tons of shots while WAY under-bankrolled like so many Phil Ivey wanna-be's.


Or you can be aware that bankroll considerations as well as playing within your own emotional/psychological tolerance (not playing so high that you are playing too scared or recklessly or whatever) and discuss that aspect too.


It's all important.


Obviously it's also important to just play good poker and play your hands as strongly as possible.
that's why we have SO MANY freaing threads in all of the strategy forums to discuss such things.


OP also seemed annoyed at all the forums in the green-bar.

The reason there are SO MANY strategy forums is precisely BECAUSE we have had so many strategy discussions.
By breaking the forums into sub-groups we are able to direct the traffic a bit better and not have one forum be overwhelmed with too many discussions at the same time.


This was happening most recently in the heads-up/short-handed strategy forum (HUSH). We had 1/2 6-max limit players asking newbie Q's in the same forum that was designated for $20/$40 or $50/$100 6-handed or even 3-handed or heads-up.
Traffic was getting to be WAY too high.

So the moderators broke it up into Small Stakes HUSH and Mid-High Stakes HUSH and I think it has become MUCH better for the higher-stakes experts to have THEIR side and the low-stakes newbie's to have THEIR side where they can continue to learn and develop.


I'm just not sure why OP wouldn't bother checking out the strategy forums instead of just coming here and blasting away.

the idea that there isn't enough strategy discussion on 2+2 is really laughable (since there's actually so much it would be virtually impossible to actually digest it all imo).
However, I do agree that we tend to have a lot of threads that border on the pointless.
Obviously many of these are in the internet-forum and in the other-topics forum (WPT forum too I think).
But if these topics don't interest you then just go to the forum with the content that DOES interest you. It's not that hard.

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bob,

im glad to see that the million big bet downswing isnt causing you to reduce the length of your posts. Keep on truckin man.

peace

john nickle

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My main focus is on poker and improving.

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study, read, play, coach/lessons

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Dude, don't be so sensitive.

And FWIW, I would wait until I no longer described myself as a fish before I started throwing out Heads-up challenges.

AND don't be offended, I am truly curious in a Keeping-up-sort-of-way, did you really have to go all the way up to 32 to use Thundercat as a Moniker ? I think Barney and Teletubbie are both unused.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

I agree. Personally I find myself focusing too much on he money. It should be like 90% poker and 10% money.

Latest, I am succeeding in shifting the focus.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

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I'll surpass you

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You won't.
-James

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I'm sure you were never a losing player before, always a winner right from day 1, winning big money, right?

I didn't think so

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Yes, I have been.
Yes, I've been paid for writing about poker.
Yes, I've been on TV for a poker tournament.

I believe that satisfies all of your "poker requirements" that you've put out so far in this thread. So that makes me qualified to say:

You're a douche, and unless you lose the attitude, you'll never amount to anything at poker.

Have a nice day.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Reading this post and the fact that you made it defines my sense of humor.

Thanks for making my friday so much more enjoyable.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

i just got off the phone with Ivey and we were discussing about taxes.

he also that in his sleep, he thinks more about taxes than poker... and why God sometimes gives him a "handy" at night.

:/

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

I'll play heads up. I have an account on empire, I think you can make play private tables there. Post a time in this thread, preferably after christmas.

You saw poker on TV, you have dreams of granduer. Just like the other 95% of losing poker players. Your tilty and unstable. I don't mind saying this, because it will only make you tilt more in our HU match.

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I'm sure you were never a losing player before, always a winner right from day 1, winning big money, right?

I didn't think so

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Oddly enough, the first time I played poker I lost $5. The next time I won $15. A couple weeks later I deposited $50 online. By the time I lost that I had won a couple hundred playing with friends. Then I deposited another $50. A year later and it has turned into $XX,XXX.

-SmileyEH

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Secondly, in response to Dankhank's post My Quote "isn't there a famous saying about counting your chickens before they hatch?" DankHank "Yea, but we are counting our chickens after they hatched" Oh really?

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...isn't somebody going to break out the owl?

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Microbob,

If you would stop wasting your time resoponding to posts like this, you would already be on top of the poker world.

Also, you forgot to mention to this poster that you were featured on ESPN WSOP coverage this year, so you obviously know what you are talking about [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

He's got a point about not counting your chickens before they're hatched.


Stick to realistic aspirations. Like turning pro and cashing in the WSOP within 2 years, despite currently being a losing player after 7 months and countless hours of play.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Hahahaha.

Our burner is broken at the moment, but this warms my soul. Thank you sir.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Thank you CaucasianAsian,

Man I was just frustrated, because I want to talk poker non stop man, I hate going to work, because all it is, is keeping me from spending time learning more about poker, I am always at work waiting to go home and sign onto to Pokerstars and play some poker, I want to come home and log on here and see things about poker, go to cardplayer.com and read things, go to ESPN poker club and read the new Phil Gordon article,

I told a friend tonight I think if I was having sex, I wouldn't enjoy it, because I'd be thinking about poker.

This is were my interest level is, so having to sort through 200 posts about Taxes was very frustrating to me looking for poker strategy questions, since I have been reading and posting in the medium stakes Hold'em NL and PL forum and it has been much better since someone suggested that forum to me, in fact I saw you reply in that forum as well.

Thank you for your kind words and offer to help

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

I'm not one of the guys on here yet, so that's okay I'll take the abuse, fine whatever.

That's the way I grew up, tall, skinny, wimpy kid the son of a pastor who taught him to always turn the other cheek.

I've been through countless ridicule, COUNTLESS

That's what I love about life, the whole world can be against you and most times it is. How many great people were told they'd never amount to sh!t before they achieved, too many to name!

Laugh all you want at me, really doesn't matter, I'm not listening

I've come to this site to learn about poker, share thoughts on poker, ask questions, get answers, get answers that I don't agree with but appreciate the point of view.

I don't have time for "catty" fights or to listen to your arrogance.

I'm a loosing player, so hurl your insults at me. I'm sure you never were a loosing player, you skipped right over that hurdle and coasted right into winning, right?

I've been playing 7 months, I should be a loosing player, just be careful, I know I'm a fish, but I'm a Big Fish

In my last 21 tournaments I've made $189 and lost $153, who cares about the $36 profit, how many Fish do you know that keep track of there tournaments? review all of their hands for ways to improve, to second guess themselves?

Also last time I left the Casino, it was with $220, Yes my Pokerstars account is at $0 right now, but tell me what you would have down with pocket Queens and a flop of Q,A,7 turn K, and river a 7??? No matter how you played it you would have gone bust after the flop when you faced a raise, the only move is all in, my opponent just happened to be blessed with AA

prior to that I had taken my $200 in Pstars and doubled it up over the course of 2 weeks.

I'm a break even player right now, just as likely to lose as I am to win, but I think about poker not everyday, nearly every hour.

I challenge you to do the same, and if you want a piece of me, I welcome it, I'll take any and all challengers in another year, I'm not going anywhere

So this is the last time I will answer any of you smart @sses on here.

I never said I would be a finalist at the WSOP in 2 years. I said I would hope to the win the $10k to enter in 2 years, and hope to finish in the money in 5 years, But yeah you're right, I shouldn't have goals

I should just quit and admit that I suck, that's an okay strategy for you, but I never will.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

this has to be a gimmick/troll, right?

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I'm a loosing player

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And a genious.

M

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I'm sure you were never a losing player before, always a winner right from day 1, winning big money, right?

I didn't think so

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1) I've been a winning player since day 1.

2) I pay taxes on my winnings.

3) Quit being a dick.

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Thank you CaucasianAsian,

Man I was just frustrated, because I want to talk poker non stop man, I hate going to work, because all it is, is keeping me from spending time learning more about poker, I am always at work waiting to go home and sign onto to Pokerstars and play some poker, I want to come home and log on here and see things about poker, go to cardplayer.com and read things, go to ESPN poker club and read the new Phil Gordon article,

I told a friend tonight I think if I was having sex, I wouldn't enjoy it, because I'd be thinking about poker.


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This may help

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I told a friend tonight I think if I was having sex, I wouldn't enjoy it, because I'd be thinking about poker.

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I should just quit and admit that I suck, that's an okay strategy

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Seriously, this guy is a gambling addict, and a very bad one too.

I started in february this year. I was a winner from day one (I ordered Winning Low Limit Hold'em before my first deposit), but I had tilting problems back then. After I ran my first $100 up to $700 and tilted it away, I deposited $500 and I never tilted seriously again (good bankroll management) and now I have $xx,xxx [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

STOP playing poker so much. First take a break of a week or two. Then start reading good poker books and this forum. Start low and post difficult hands. Once you prove to be a winning player at a certain level move up. That's all.

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Yes my Pokerstars account is at $0 right now, but tell me what you would have down with pocket Queens and a flop of Q,A,7 turn K, and river a 7??? No matter how you played it you would have gone bust after the flop when you faced a raise, the only move is all in, my opponent just happened to be blessed with AA

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I would start by not putting my entire bankroll in play. Maybe you should take the time to read some of those "money" threads that you are complaining about.

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This thread is pure gold. Seven months is a hell of a long time and I am sure players here had 100K+ in there first 7 months in cash games. I believe bicyclekick made a post talking about how he got started in poker...you might want to look that up.

Within 7 months of when I started I was just getting ready to move up to 10/20 6max for good in the next couple weeks. I was up around 20-25K at the 7 month point, and I didnt play that much. In the last 2 months I have played more then I did in my first 6 or 7 months. To say it is standard to be down after 7 months playing as much as you say you did is the sign of someone who is not capable of being a long term winner.Sorry.

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I'll surpass you

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You won't.
-James

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Gold!

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I've been playing 7 months, I should be a loosing player, just be careful, I know I'm a fish, but I'm a Big Fish

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You sure are.

Re: Seems like you guys spend more time talking about money than poker
 

Let me know when you're going to Winstar next... I'll be there tuesday and I'll be playing in the 5/10... If you can't beat the game at Winstar, quit poker forever.