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I teach high school - its perfect. Lots of time off.
Summers to play full time. You could take some extra classes to get your teachers license and teach physics or math

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I have been dating a high school math teacher for a little while. I can say that she works much harder than I would have guessed. She seems to be grading papers or prepping lessons for hours each night.

I agree with your need to spend time with people. I have been playing full time online for 2 years now and at first my social circle almost went away. I try to spend 1 night a week now volunteering somewhere. It is nice to actually spend some time with other adults.

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It does take a lot of time the first few years. I am in my 9th year now and it has become much much easier. Of course i do spend a lot of extra time because i coach, but that is optional.

PS> Looking forward to my two week Christmas break starting weds [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (lots of poker will be played)

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I teach high school - its perfect. Lots of time off.
Summers to play full time. You could take some extra classes to get your teachers license and teach physics or math

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ditto

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Civil Servant.

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I definitely feel you on this, I'm graduating in may with BS's in mechanical engineering and math. However, I really don't want to go to grad school just yet, nor do I want a fulltime job. Basically, I want to play cards 20-30 hours a week for my primary income, and have some other job to keep me busy/social/do something productive (and i guess make some money too, although there arent many part time jobs i can think of that would make me as much money as i'll get playing cards.) I also kind of want a break from engineering style pursuits for the time being, after 4 years of dealing with them.

I think working at some kind of non-profit or charity organization with a good cause would be a sweet job. They'll gladly take the help, so part time will be fine, and you get to do something that is beneficial to people. As far as socially acceptable goes, I'd say nobody is gonna look down upon somebody who's doing this kind of work.

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Slave.

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If you have a college degree, you can have a teaching license in many states in a year, and a master's degree in 18 months.

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How do you get a professional poker player off of your porch?


ANSWER: <font color="white"> </font> Pay him for the pizza!

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For me, "none" has done fairly well so far.

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With those degrees you should focus on developing an actual career rather than a side-show to poker. You can make a lot more money in the long-run. That said, its not my place to tell you that. More along the lines of your actual post I would recommend working at UPS or FedEX tossing boxes. This usually pays a decent hourly wage and part-timers usually get full health benfits. Also its a physical job so you'll offset your time at the cpu. I know a few people who got through college and grad-school this way. They also pay for higher education and are good about promoting you to full-time positions if you decide to give up poker.

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Personal trainer.

Choose your own hours, decent pay and be in shape.

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male whore

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I manage a warehouse that sells auto parts. I have 6 employees and they do all the work while I have weekends off and I usually leave at 3:30 in a company delivery car that has no markings on it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

During the day while my employees are running the show I read books by Ed Miller or other well known authors. At my last meeting of the head honchos they said they are looking into getting all of the locations the internet with new computers.

My job just keeps getting better and better. I suggest sell auto parts. By this time next year I should be getting in at least 500 hands per day while at work. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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i have been playing full-time for 2 years and i have also been thinking a lot of finding a job to both do "something productive" and also to meet people and actually socialize again. so i thought teaching would be great. wow, was i wrong. i have a degree in accounting but have always liked math. so i did what was required to teach math which consisted of passing a few exams and taking a 40 hour class. well, i found out it was a ton of work. not only that, the kids were very hard to deal with. granted i taught in l.a. so maybe it wouldn't be so bad if you taught in a smaller city. my first day, i was told to f-off about 50 times and then in my last period, i was hit with a full gatorade bottle. needless to say, i didn't return the next day. i decided to try subbing which would give me even more time to play poker and i wouldn't have to grade tests, deal with parents, prepare lesson plans, etc. but it still sucks. i'm going to stick with it for a little while but i seriously doubt it will be that much longer.

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gymnastics instructor worked pretty well for me but you have to like kids. Stay in shape, hang out wiht lots of young coworkers, vary your hours as much as you like every new session depending on how poker is going, and stay in fairly good shape.

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I was lucky enough to land a job in a call center for reporting business conduct issues. We were a 24/7 operation, but business was very slow in the off hours so there was only one staff member on at these times. Of course I volunteered for the slowest shifts (graveyard and weekends) so I could play poker at work without anyone knowing. If a call came in, I would sit out, do my work, and then return to playing poker. I could easily get in 6,7, or even 8 hours of playing during one 10 hour shift.

Of course, they eventually found out and fired me, but I would have quit if they didn't as I was making 3 times as much playing poker as I was working. And for the record, I was fired for downloadiing unapproved software onto the company network, not for playing poker at work in and of itself. Also, getting fired was the best thing that ever happened to me, career wise, as I have been a full time poker player since and have never looked back.

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If you don't care about the money and are just doing it to be socially acceptable, just start your own home business doing whatever you want. Sell stuff on eBay, mow lawns, or whatever you deem socially acceptable.

Given your background, one thing that comes to mind immediately is some type of business doing tutoring in math and science to high school and/or college students. There is always demand for this, hourly rates are decent, and you set your own hours.

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Thanks for all the advice. I'll be back later this weekend to comment.

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hourly rates are decent

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Please put a $ number on "decent" for the US.

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hourly rates are decent

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Please put a $ number on "decent" for the US.

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For private tutoring, you could probably get anywhere from $15-25 USD per hour.

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Please put a $ number on "decent" for the US.

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Private tutors normally charge $35-$100 per hour, depending on the subject being taught, background of the individual, area of country, whether the tutoring is done in-home or not, and other factors.

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Ok, I was wrong then.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/01/nyregion/01tutor.html

You don't need to register and read the whole article above. Just read the tagline -- the dude charges $400 per hour for tutoring. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Online tutoring is cheaper ... sometimes you see that as low as 20 per hour. Most offline, private tutors are at least 35-40. Good ones are more. Subjects like math and science command more money because there are more people that need tutoring in them and less people qualified to do it.

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I teach high school

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He said low stress, though.

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I teach high school - its perfect. Lots of time off.
Summers to play full time. You could take some extra classes to get your teachers license and teach physics or math

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I have looked into this a great deal. Then I always run into teachers/former teachers who say it's unbelievably time consuming. The more I think about it, though, the less I believe them.

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Believe them.

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Intersting discussion... So how does one go about becoming a teacher? I'm in my mid 30's and currently work as a IT professional. Is mid 30's too late to consider this?

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It's never too late. Plenty of people quit their careers to become teachers. I know a man that did it when he was in his late 40s.

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So how does one go about making this switch? I assume it involves going back to school and getting some kind of a license. How long does this process take?

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It depends on the state. In NJ, for example, it is incredibly easy. I majored in engineering and was able to become employed as a math teacher without too much trouble. All I had to do was file for a "certificate of eligibility", which gave me the right to seek employment as a teacher. In order to get that you need to have 30 credits in your subject area you wish to teach. Then, I had to take a math subject area test (Praxis II), which anyone with an engineering degree could pass going in cold. After being hired, I had to attend a pointless class one night a week for the first year. After a full year of teaching, I was certified.

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Please put a $ number on "decent" for the US.

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Private tutors normally charge $35-$100 per hour, depending on the subject being taught, background of the individual, area of country, whether the tutoring is done in-home or not, and other factors.

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The difficulty with this is the initial networking required to get students to tutor.

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the dude charges $400 per hour for tutoring.

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For $400 an hour, I'd drop most other activities, including poker. A supply of suckers...err, students... willing to pay $400 an hour is IMO, very difficult or impossible to secure.

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What about a sales job? There are a number of "commission only" or salary + commission type positions selling all number if products and services. Lots of theses jobs let you operate out of a home office. Make sales calls all day and come home around 2 or 3 in the afternoon.

Usually there is paperwork, quotes, follow-up calls, etc. that you need to do when you get home but you should be able to put fit in a good amount of poker and social life in if you manage it right.

If you are smart, have a decent personality and work hard you can make a decent living in sales. If you are very talented there's a good chance can make way more in sales than in poker.

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Aint exactly low stress but there aren't many jobs that are. I have the same schedule but I'm a librarian. You need a masters degree for my sort of position but it's low stress. Hey, you could be a postal worker, I hear that's real low stress.

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I am also a librarian and dont think it is low stress. Actually most jobs are not low stress, get used to it.

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im getting my Phd in pharmaceutical sciences right now, im on salary, get health insurance and free tuition and have only 9 hours and dont start research until May =SPARE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Most jobs are low-stress. The problem is that most people stress themselves out at their jobs regardless.

Jobs that have actual stress include things like "hostage negotiator."

I worked through college dealing cards in a casino. Half the dealers thought it was very stressful and an awful grind. The other half though it was the easiest, most care-free job in the world. Same job.

My advice is to find a job that you can leave at work. Doing an independent career thing, or starting a business, looking for people to tutor. . . these are things that will nag you when you're not doing them, as you think about how to market and get more business, etc. You should focus on something which is there when you go to work, and which you can forget about when you leave. Virtually all such jobs have little or no inherent stress other than what people put on themselves via office politics or other B.S.

Talk to someone who has given their two-week notice because they've decided to quit, often in part because of "the stress." How stressful was their work the last two weeks? It's almost always a breeze. . . not because the job has changed, but because THEY have.

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Ahhh to be young again....

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Talk to someone who has given their two-week notice because they've decided to quit, often in part because of "the stress." How stressful was their work the last two weeks? It's almost always a breeze. . . not because the job has changed, but because THEY have.

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I was laid off from HP a couple of months ago; I had a month's notice. The last couple of weeks I was there was much less stressful, but not because I'd changed. It was because I was wrapping up my work and handing it off to other people who had to do it after my departure. I was relieved to be free of HP, even though being laid off is stressful in itself (fortunately, they gave me a decent severance package, amounting to about 4.5 months of pay, and a couple months' worth of benefits), because of the incessant deadlines; every time we'd meet one deadline, the next one was breathing down our necks.

While there is something to be said for how one's perceptions affect stress, many well-paying jobs are quite stressful in and of themselves.

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I understand why you would feel pressure from others that you should be more successful in your career.
But, really, why should you/I care??
If others have a problem with it then it's THEIR problem.


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I don't care what random people think of me; however, I do care about what my loved ones think of me. None of them want me to play poker. At that point it's not really my decision. Even if they are wrong, I can't desert them just for a career.

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I think working at some kind of non-profit or charity organization with a good cause would be a sweet job. They'll gladly take the help, so part time will be fine, and you get to do something that is beneficial to people. As far as socially acceptable goes, I'd say nobody is gonna look down upon somebody who's doing this kind of work.

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This was my original idea, and I'm actually still contemplating that. I would play poker 25-30hrs a week and spend 15-20hrs volunteering, hopefully at a skilled position. But, this does not help answer the question, "What do you do for a living?" When I substitute teach other teachers always ask me what else I do because they know I can't make a living at it.

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real estate agent, just go back to school for a short time (semester) and do that. Choose your own hours etc. (this is coming from someone who has real estate agents work for him, not is one)

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If you don't care about the money and are just doing it to be socially acceptable, just start your own home business doing whatever you want. Sell stuff on eBay, mow lawns, or whatever you deem socially acceptable.

Given your background, one thing that comes to mind immediately is some type of business doing tutoring in math and science to high school and/or college students. There is always demand for this, hourly rates are decent, and you set your own hours.

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I'm going to look more deeply into this. However, I think I'll need to get certified to teach if I want any hope of starting a successfull tutoring company.

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I think working at some kind of non-profit or charity organization with a good cause would be a sweet job. They'll gladly take the help, so part time will be fine, and you get to do something that is beneficial to people. As far as socially acceptable goes, I'd say nobody is gonna look down upon somebody who's doing this kind of work.

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This was my original idea, and I'm actually still contemplating that. I would play poker 25-30hrs a week and spend 15-20hrs volunteering, hopefully at a skilled position. But, this does not help answer the question, "What do you do for a living?" When I substitute teach other teachers always ask me what else I do because they know I can't make a living at it.

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If you don't feel comfortable telling them you play cards, make something up. I'm a consultant, I teach nights at XYZ learning center, I'm a male prostitute, I'm looking for a full-time teaching position, etc. Who cares what they think?

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I'm not sure why you can't just tell them you play poker.
Most people will think it's "cool" anyway.


I was a bit bashful about talking about what I did for a living amongst mostly strangers.
I would say something that sounded pretty lame like 'work from home on computers' or something vague like that.

This was what I told guys on my rec-league soccer teams when I was asked.
The next season when I was asked i just said, "This will sound kind of silly...but I actually play poker for a living..mostly on the internet" and most of the responses were "doesn't sound silly at all. I used to play a lot when I was in the Navy..." (etc etc).


Would there be some kind of moral deal about telling the other teachers?? Or is it just kind of awkward to speak about something like that??


FWIW - If I went back to my hometown for a reunion or something and met up with my former math/science teachers I would have no problem telling them what I do.
I was the top player on our chess team and considered to be pretty smart in my math classes so none of them would be surprised and I suspect many of them would find it very interesting.

There are a couple of math teachers I had who would certainly laugh to learn how some of the things I learned in their classes apply to how I make my living.