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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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I agree to an extent. I hear about this stuff through friends, and opening acts for shows and what not. But...really with the internet the answer to this is "no".

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Armageddon made $200 million. More than 62 million people voted for Bush.

Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.


But, if you dont want to put the effort in, thats up to you. But, I get a lot more out of music that tends not to get a lot of mainstream play.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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i don't know [censored] about art either, but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

your taste in music sucks! "LOL"!

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Just a few off the top of my head

The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
Audioslave - Out of Exile
System of a Down - Mezmerize
The Go Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike

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Yeah I know the internet makes it pretty easy but you have to know at least one band in that genre that can lead you into all the other good music that is out there.

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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I know of one person in real life who even knows half the bands on this list. The internet makes finding music easy in any region.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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don't you think i would have at least heard of one of them if they were actually the best?

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How would you hear about them? I don't know [censored] about art, and I don't expect to hear who made the best out door installation this year.

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i don't know [censored] about art either, but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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Who said all time? 2005 dude...

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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hah, great post.

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Yeah I know the internet makes it pretty easy but you have to know at least one band in that genre that can lead you into all the other good music that is out there.

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This is very true. Once you get in though it's really easy. Most of us, can't keep up with all the new music.

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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1. Beatles
2. Stones
3. Dylan
4. LZ
5. Pink Floyd


Do you know any of these acts? Becaues that is probably my list of top 5 all time.

You've probably heard of at lest the top 2.

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This year was pretty disappointing for new music, especially compared to last year. Anyway the best album of 2005 is:

Spoon - Gimme Fiction

Honorable mention to:

Doves - Some Cities, and
Giant Drag - Hearts and Unicorns.


Anyway, I often tend to classify albums in my mind not by when they came out, but by when I heard them. In that case the following albums are all ones that I got into this year, but were released earlier (all of these records are far better than anything listed above, or anything in this entire thread):

Autolux - Future Perfect
Blonde Redhead - Misery is a Butterfly
Stereolab - Dots and Loops

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No doubt it is kinda of like pandora's box with the internet once you find a band or small genre you like. But finding that one band in a genre like this is alot easier if people around them are listening to it.

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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Have you read this thread yet? No one has said anything like that. Though audioslave got a few giggles.

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Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.




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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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Have you read this thread yet? No one has said anything like that. Though audioslave got a few giggles.

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People like me like Audioslave because it reminds us of the some of the good bands in the nineties that we grew up with. Nostaglia for me.

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Just because the masses like something doesnt make it good. And just because they dont, doesnt make it bad.




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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Excellent question.

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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dude, if you just casually read rolling stone or spin or EW or any of the national mags like that you would have heard about all of them. sufjan was #1 on one of their charts in the back for what, 3 months? unless you live in siberia or something, you really have no excuse other than a good old fashioned unwillingness to make any effort other than turning on a corporate radio station.

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since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

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System of a Down - Mezmerize
Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth

edit: if i'm gonna order them i'd put With Teeth first. Mezmerize is just on my mind cause i just got Hypnotize.

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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This is my top 10 of 05

1. Architecture in Helsinki - In Case we Die
2. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!
3. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
4. The Fiery Furnaces - EP
5. The Decemberists - Picaresque
6. Bright eyes - Wide Awake, Its Morning
7. The National - Alligator
8. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
9. Iron and Wine - Woman King
10. New Pornographers - Twin Cinema

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how have i never heard of any of these? if they were the best albums of 2005, why wouldn't i hear of them even one time?

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Because you are ignorant about good music?

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Don't you think where you live has alot to do with what you are exposed too, granted I can find all of these bands but if no-one in my region is listening to them then I have to be a disadvantage compared to a region where this kind of music is prevelant.

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dude, if you just casually read rolling stone or spin or EW or any of the national mags like that you would have heard about all of them. sufjan was #1 on one of their charts in the back for what, 3 months? unless you live in siberia or something, you really have no excuse other than a good old fashioned unwillingness to make any effort other than turning on a corporate radio station.

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I have heard of all of these, I personally just don't care for that most of them. I was just saying where you live plays a role. Nothing I listen too is played on the radio where I live.

And I will add this album since noone else has because I think it deserves a mention:

A bigger bang - Rolling Stones

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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my point is proven.

remember guys, daryn is right! just think to yourself: do i disagree with daryn? if the answer is yes, you just might be an idiot! don't take immediate offense, which will be your first instinct. rather, take the time to realize your error, and use some common sense (and your brain). you will come around soon enough.

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people who argue about music and try to tell other people their music 'sucks' and they are stupid for listening to it are idiots. music is all personal preference. how can someone be wrong for liking something like music?

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I agree it is "stupid" to criticize someone's tastes as people can listen and like whatever the hell they want, but if someone has a limited range of music they listen too, I can't respect their preferences for best artist or album of the year.

Plus while music, like art, food, etc. is very subjective it doesn't mean you can't create a framework to judge its relative value overall, similar to art and food.

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but i'm pretty sure i could recognize a list of the greatest artists of all time

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1. Beatles
2. Stones
3. Dylan
4. LZ
5. Pink Floyd


Do you know any of these acts? Becaues that is probably my list of top 5 all time.

You've probably heard of at lest the top 2.

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That is a damn good list. But no "top" rock list is complete without

http://www.nndb.com/people/192/000023123/cschuck.jpg

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Well this thread went in the shitter pretty quickly. Where's the indie lovefest?????

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"It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

This is, in all art forms, subject to the judgement of time.

"Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

LOL

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Yes, people who say art is opinion are [censored] morons. There are reasons "critics" exist. They know more about the apreciation of art than the average joe. It's just the way it is. People have a hard time realizing that their opinion may not be as valid as someone elses.

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since we have the Murderer's Row of hipsters focusing on this thread, this might be a good time to ask the question that I've been pondering for a while


why are the band names/album titles/song titles so gay nowadays?

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I'll offer this as exhibit A. Sufjan Steven's new album

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4843/sufjan16kc.jpg

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I guarantee anyone would like this album. Who cares that the names are eccentric. Oh, obviously someone who has no clue.

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I have heard of all of these, I personally just don't care for that most of them. I was just saying where you live plays a role. Nothing I listen too is played on the radio where I live.

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most, if not all, of these aren't played on the radio anywhere (with the exception of college radio, which is hit-or-miss). radio is pretty terrible across the board these days in terms of new quality music.

in response to the mention about them not being widely popular, i thought the point was the best albums in terms of quality, popularity be damned.

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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"It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

This is, in all art forms, subject to the judgement of time.

"Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

LOL

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is this your cute little indie way of slinking away from an argument you're obviously wrong in, but still trying to save face by acting as though what I say is laughable?

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I'm pretty sure that Sufjan made such ridiculous song names to irk people who would judge him solely based on his song titles.

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This is basically an "i'm trying to prove I am very edgy and you aren't..." thread.

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So far no one here has listed an "edgy" band. They play this [censored] on nissan comercials and [censored] over nip and tuck!

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is this your cute little indie way of slinking away from an argument you're obviously wrong in, but still trying to save face by acting as though what I say is laughable?

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No, its my way of saying that, for example, shakespeare went so unnoticed in his own lifetime that we know almost nothing about him.

Also, "Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field."

Really?

You think the film that is recognized as the best is also the most popular?

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There's so much Audioslave hatin' going on in here. Cornell rules. Out of Exile should definitely be a nominee, along with Metric-Live It Out, Broken Social Scene, The Mars Volta-Frances The Mute and NIN-With Teeth. My favorite album of the year though is The Secret Migration by Mercury Rev. Im not sure of it's rockness, but still.

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I played right into his trap!

although I don't judge him solely on his song titles; I also judge him by his Scout uniform


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what a unique look!

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given that its the only objective way to judge something like this you have to take it into account. What makes the albums you listed good, and why should I believe that they are better than what the masses like?

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Attempting to objectify (is that a word?) appreciation of art through a direct correlation with popularity is comically retarded.

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you made a list of the 10 best rock albums of 2005 without including a single band that is widely popular. if this was CMI's 10 favorite albums of 2005 that would make sense, but its not. Note the 5 artists/bands you listed as the greatest of all time. What did they all have in common? the fact that they were all widely popular. It is the same in any art form. Those who are recognized as the greatest in their field are those who were most popular in their field. I agree that their is room for listing artists that are not so popular among the best, but to have a top 10 list not include any popular artist at all is as you would say "comically retarded".

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Wrong, what about movies? Taking away Titanic, when was the last high gross movie nominated for an Oscar for best picture? Should I call the Academy idiotic for not nominating [censored] Charlies Angels or Men in Black?