Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I'm wondering, for those of you who did get phone calls, with offers, do you recall what the phone # was? I sent an e-mail to bonus@partypoker.com a few weeks ago and never received a reply (of course), but starting last week, I have received a few calls on my cell phone from an area code I do not recognize, so I haven't been picking it up, and they haven't left a voicemail. With everyone receiving calls now, I'm wondering if this may be them.

Thanks.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

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By the way, I have also been told that "once the PartyPoker.com VIP Club is fully operational" all offers will be made referring to Player points, not raked hands. Makes sense.

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I also just noticed this for the first time: On the Player's Club page that there are 3 levels of membership: blue, silver and gold. All players start in the blue category. When they get to 15,000 points, they move to the silver category (and accumulate new points at 1.5 times the rate of the blue category). When they get to 50,000 points, they move to the gold category (and accumulate new points at twice the rate of the blue category).

If they continue to use this system with the current offers for raked hands over the phone, then it looks like we would be getting about 25% rakeback once we hit the gold category.

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I doubt it would be for bonus points, only normal earned points.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

You need to send the e-mail to VIP@partypoker.com

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It's a 206 area code, and they don't leave messages and you can't call them.

They called me three times before I realized it might be party and picked up.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I'm trying to wrap my head around these big bonuses and how they impact rakeback.

Let's say I play 22,000 hands in a month. If I receive 20% rakeback I'd simply get my MGR x .2.

However, Party now offers me $700 for 18,000 raked hands (by my math around 22,000 total hands at $10/20 6max). How is my rakeback impacted?

(BTW, the above is my actual offer.)

EDIT: So basically, is it ever not worth it to take a bonus? This stuff confuses me.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

how do you calculate how many cents per hand you got from rakeback on the skins, let's say 27%. I want to be able to compare the offer i'm getting with my old rakeback when party calls.

Thanks,
Per

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

Take your last months stats. Divide how much rakeback you received by how many hands you played.

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how do you calculate how many cents per hand you got from rakeback on the skins, let's say 27%. I want to be able to compare the offer i'm getting with my old rakeback when party calls.

Thanks,
Per

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There are plenty of rakeback calculators online that provide estimates based on the limit you play and number of hands. Google "rakeback calculator" and you'll find several.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

Yep, that's the one. I finally picked it up today and was given a whopping $50 for 5000 raked hands. I haven't played anything there except for maybe the occasional 2-table tourney and various freeroll multis in the last 3-4 months, though, so my play there is minimal. She claims the offer is re-evaluated each month, so maybe I'll give it a shot and see what comes my way next month.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

WTF?!? Is Party sucking all of your dicks? I am very surprised by the replies in this thread. You guys are getting hosed! What used to be $100 for 500 hands has turned into $150 for 15,000 raked hands and nobody is disappointed? Am I missing something? You guys seem way to happy about getting this shitty deal.

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they havent gotten back to me after I sent numerous emails to various addresses and was guaranteed a callback late last week.

I'm not going to put any more effort into dealing directly with Party: time for Plan B.

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i just got a phone call from 206-203-XXXX, but i couldn't hear them and then it was dropped. is this Party VIP? if so will they call back or email me?

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I'll just tell exactly what happened to me incase anyone is wondering. I sent an email to bonus@partypoker.com last night [12:51am]. This is what I wrote in my email, I titled it "Bonuses in coming months":
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Hello,

My name is xxxxx xxxx and my Party Poker handle is xxxxx.I have played on Party Poker for the last year sporadically, but now I would like to make the switch to playing Party primarily. I am a relatively high volume player, playing 10-15k hands a month. I usually play around the 2/4 or 3/6 6max levels. From past records I have noticed that my play does contribute a large amount of rake to poker sites. I have heard that it is possible to recieve future bonuses for high volume players. Currently for October I am working to clear off a $90 for 905 points. This will most likely work out to me playing over 4k hands in the last week and a half of October. I believe this shows that I am willing to put in the hands if I am offered some incentive in return. Would it be possible to recieve some sort of monetary compensation in November because that would certainly keep me playing at Party. I can play at other sites where they offer bonuses, such as PokerStars, but I would like to stay with you. I hope you feel the same way.

Sincerely,
xxxxx xxxxxx

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Tonight I recieved at call at around 10pm EST from 206-203-5004 [please edit if writing the whole number is bad]. I talked to the nice British sounding woman. She offered me perhaps the crappiest deal I have heard yet; $150 for 10k raked hands. That means I would have to play around 15k total hands. I told her that this would take me the entire month to clear, while I could clear a bonus I have waiting over at PokerStars for $120 in 2 days. I told her that something in the range of $300 would be more acceptable. She said that she would have to talk to her manager and that she would give me a call back tomorrow at the same time.

Honestly my whole take is that even $300 is absolute crap, but I think when I climb the ladder by going from blue to silver to gold and keep on putting up the numbers they want things will get a lot better. I never expect it to be quite as good as it used to be, but I feel if I can work my way up to something equivalent to 15-20% I would be very pleased.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around these big bonuses and how they impact rakeback.

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i'm like 99.9% sure party will subtract these bonuses from your MGR before kicking back to the affiliate and your rb.

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However, Party now offers me $700 for 18,000 raked hands (by my math around 22,000 total hands at $10/20 6max). How is my rakeback impacted?

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i believe this means if you get 20% rb you will get (MGR - 700)*.2

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

Indeed.
For some reason Party doesn't believe in leaving messages.
Personally, I think it's quite rude to continually call someone when you know that person is unaware of what the number is AND refuse over and over to leave a simple voice-mail message.

With these phone-calls....if you just happen to not pick up the phone when they call then you're kind of out-of-luck.

Don't they know that some people don't like to pick up the phone when it's a number they don't recognize? That's why a lot of people use voice-mail/answering-machines in the first place.

I feel it's extremely unprofessional of party to do it that way.
And I think they try going the extra step to setting up a toll-free number that I can reach them at.
Telling me I can call them at any time doesn't do me a lot of good if I'm not particularly interested in being placed on hold on an international call.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

so if i get rakeback (signed up for party thru aff), then no shot at this offer? i am a gold member....
thx
lansky

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I play mostly 2/4, and they offered my 160 for 4,000 hands.

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I climb the ladder by going from blue to silver to gold and keep on putting up the numbers

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The way I read the points system, these tallies reset quarterly. So it's not like you just keep adding pts till you get to gold...you have one quarter to do that, then it starts over.

Am I wrong?

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I played 3/6 and 5/10, app.20,000 hands per month, for over a year at Party till I found Euro, and other sites.

Party e-mailed me with this offer:

Sign up a new player under the "Tell a Friend" thingy, and we'll give you $50! Restrictions apply.

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$200 for 7000 raked..............tried to negotiate, no dice

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206-203-5004

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This is a Seattle, Washington, USA area code.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I wouldn't say I'm way too happy at all. I just said I'm considering throwing some hands their way next month to see if it does, indeed, get better. If not, it's hardly like I've lost much. If it continues to be pitiful offers like this one, I have plenty of other choices on where to play.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

$150 for 6000 raked hands at 5/10 ring (comes out to about 10%). He said that a minimum of 4000 raked hands gets me VIP member status. This will allow me to get VIP specific deposit bonuses as well as better customer service (a direct line to VIP service). He also said that if I play more than 6000 hands, I'll receive the proportioned amount over the base 6000. For example, if I play 12000 raked hands, I'll receive $300.

I asked that if I moved up to 10/20 ring, will I get a better deal? He said yes, the VIP bonuses are renegotiable every month.

So, I think I'll just play my average for the month and see if I can get better deals in the future based on my amount of play. The deposit bonus working along with the VIP bonus sounds very enticing.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I didn't read all the responses so if I'm rehashing something mentioned earlier I apologize.

I E-mailed bonus@partypoker.com a few weeks ago and someone finally got around to replying to me today. I don't play much on party, only to clear a reload every month. I sent them an E-mail saying I would move a large portion of my play to their site if they offered some kind of "incentive" for high volume play.

Here's the E-mail I got...

Patrick:

Thank you for contacting Party Poker regarding incentives.

In November PartyPoker.com will initiate its brand new VIP Club. Membership benefits include monthly cash bonuses based on your play, direct customer service contacts, and new promotions and bonuses.

The base for VIP Club membership is playing in 4,000 raked hands per month at a minimum $1/$2 level.

This will be an exciting month for PartyPoker.com, and we hope you will a part of it.

Daniel Wexler
Promotions Manager

Shockingly coherent, I almost doubt it came from Party Poker.

Guess I'll play 4000 raked hands there next month just to see what happens...

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Thought I'd share.

I haven't played Party since the last reload in early September. In October I got a pop-up offering $160 for 1960 points. Playing at my current limit of $10/$20 6-max, it's actually not a terrible offer and equates to about 13.67% RB; I haven't played for it yet.

On Monday evening I sent an email to VIP stating that I'd heard Party was offering incentives for high-volume players to come back and play at Party. I described my Ocotber offer and explained that (1) it would be attractive as a Gold and possibly a Silver VIP member (I am a lowly Blue since I never play at Party); but (2) more important to me was a consistent "on all the time" incentive that scales to the number of hands / limits I play during the month.

I got a formulaic email offering details on the generic VIP club with a closing that someone would contact me shortly.

I received a call earlier today with an offer of $300 for 9,000 raked hands (not points). The offer itself was uniteresting as it is effectively 6.2% RB. I explained that I might play the October bonus just to see what the games on Party are like, but that the current offer for November wasn't interesting. I emphasized that I would be more interested in a longer-term offer that I could count on every month. The representative (British, articulate, informed) stated that she didn't set bonus levels / incentives, and further indicated that they are experimenting a bit with VIP rewards. She continued that some months it might be cash for points / cash for raked hands, some months it might be freerolls available only to the VIP club members, some months it might be a chance to play in land-based events, etc. She also indicated that the bonus offers would almost certainly improve with more play, but that since the program was so new she didn't feel comfortable promising anything. I reiterated that consistent, scaling rewards month in and out was of interest to me personally, and indicated that I tracked my play pretty closely as many high-volume players do; I explained that I figured I contributed approximately $0.40 per hand in rake, and $300 for 9000 raked hands just wasn't an incentive. When asked if I was rejecting the November offer I said that it would not encourage me to play 9000 raked hands at Party in Nov, so basically yes. I stated that I assumed the bonus offers were based on revenue generated for Party (hands, limits, etc.) and she confirmed. I encouraged her to check with those that determined the bonus offers (since she said she did not) to see if there was something more interesting available, and she asked permission to go back to her manager and call me back at some point if there was something more available. I said of course. We'll see. I think I'll clear the October pop-up offer over the next few days in the meantime.

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

$1200 for 15K raked hands

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$1200 for 15K raked hands

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8 cents/hand. I think that's the best one so far. What limit(s) do you play? And what's your history with PartyPoker?

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

I think it is pretty clear party is doing a statistical analysis to see which bonus gets them the most money.

So, How much money do they need to give to get X amount of hands out of you.

So they are going to try give up the least.


I think it would be best if the people getting offerd the worse bonuses, didn't play hardly at all.

The people getting the strong bonuses comparable to rakeback or better, should play extra.

If we want to control the outcome of these tests.


my 2 cents
blake

Re: Party VIP offers - November
 

Nice work!

How the hell did you manage that, do you play insanely high? Are you like the most loyal party customer ever? You must post details.

My October offer -
 

$650 for 6465 raked hands................ [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

How the hell do they decide on these things........ [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

This account has not had any activity since Feb. of 2005, although it accumulated 18,000 player points - good for a leather jacket and some shirts.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't intentionally distributing players into random bands and giving them better/worse offers based on that, so they can test the effectiveness of various offers. When I wrote software for a marketing department that did offers like this it was pretty common practice. In fact there was a poor group of suckers who were the "control group" who we would never make any offers to what so ever, basically we would be as mean to them as possible to get a baseline for how people would act without incentives.

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Getting a hummer AND getting paid? Isn't that the best of all worlds? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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What makes a person a VIP.

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The VIP team consists of a small group of people that have poker experience and is headed by someone that I feel is dedicated to making it work. They are currently in the process of putting together a dedicated VIP support team.
The offers/promotions that many of you are receiving are the first to go out, and will help to define the future of the program. Nothing is concrete and everything will be evaluated as the program stabilizes. There will be new offers/promotions in the future. As the program matures there will also be higher levels.
Whether you currently play at PartyPoker.com, used to play or have never played you will be considered equally. You don’t need to be “inactive” or “super active” to get a better deal. There will be minimum requirements to stay a VIP and those that don’t meet it will be replaced.
If you are looking for something to replace rakeback this isn’t it. Rakeback was never allowed at Party (or through the skins) and I don’t believe it ever will be.

If you haven’t been contacted by someone in the team you can email them at vip@partypoker.com.

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If you are looking for something to replace rakeback this isn’t it. Rakeback was never allowed at Party (or through the skins) and I don’t believe it ever will be.

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Enjoy!

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Wow! That is a sweet offer. I would jump at the chance for that one.

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$1200 for 15K raked hands

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8 cents/hand. I think that's the best one so far. What limit(s) do you play? And what's your history with PartyPoker?

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I play about 800 $55 NL SNG's a month and 20K hands of 5/10 6 max. This is a "new" account so it has no history.

The original offer was $600 for 7500 raked hands but we moved it to $1200/15K.

NZ

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If you are looking for something to replace rakeback this isn’t it. Rakeback was never allowed at Party (or through the skins) and I don’t believe it ever will be.

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Nobody expects the VIP program to replace rakeback. However if it is to be successful in attracting high volume players it has to be competitive with rakeback.

I've been participating in the October offer only as an experiment to see if I get a competitive November offer. If I don't get a competitive offer PartyPoker might as well close my account after I cash out.

I suspect many other players share the same feelings.

Stu

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What makes a person a VIP.

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The VIP team consists of a small group of people that have poker experience and is headed by someone that I feel is dedicated to making it work. They are currently in the process of putting together a dedicated VIP support team.
The offers/promotions that many of you are receiving are the first to go out, and will help to define the future of the program. Nothing is concrete and everything will be evaluated as the program stabilizes. There will be new offers/promotions in the future. As the program matures there will also be higher levels.
Whether you currently play at PartyPoker.com, used to play or have never played you will be considered equally. You don’t need to be “inactive” or “super active” to get a better deal. There will be minimum requirements to stay a VIP and those that don’t meet it will be replaced.
If you are looking for something to replace rakeback this isn’t it. Rakeback was never allowed at Party (or through the skins) and I don’t believe it ever will be.

If you haven’t been contacted by someone in the team you can email them at vip@partypoker.com.

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Thanks for the info, Mike.

Whether one views it as a "replacement for rakeback" seems immaterial. To echo Stu's point the fundamental issues are: (1) what incentives will Party offer to attract high volume players to the site, and (2) how does the expected value of those incentives compare to the incentives offered by other rooms? Whether Party is or is not unalterably opposed to something that walks like rakeback and talks like rakeback (but isn't rakeback), it cannot change the underlying econmic drivers of the potential relationship: high volume players generate higher revenue for Party; high volume players are aware of the revenue being generated by their play; and high volume players expect incentives commensurate with the revenue they generate. If the nascent VIP program is merely an extension of a points system whereby we can all use points to buy more beanies or tourney entries, then the incentive value is very low, and high volume players will naturally drift to roooms that offer comparable games and better incentives. I'm sure this must be obvious to these folks running VIP and I would presume that if they want to make it successful they shouldn't really try to pick a fight with or otherwise ignore the underlying economics driving the issue. That's a losing battle.

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1000$ for 25000 hands :/
I was so happy that they finally called me that i said "Thank you very much!". I play 5/10 and mainly 10/20 SH lately.