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Re: Got stiffed on a tip tonight
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BTW- For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. They have to declare how much money they rang up and it gets taxed out of the paycheck. [/ QUOTE ] wow, no [censored]! So that means if i don't leave a tip, that I help the waiter save on taxes! [/ QUOTE ] No, he pays taxes. When you ring in a meal, it gets tallied. So lets say that at the end of the work week, you have $1000 in meals. You have to declare at least 8% or the IRS comes looking for you. So that means you need to declare at least $80 in tips. Whether or not you get tipped, you need to declare $80. So when you are a cheap bastard and don't tip, you cost your server money. BTW-If you continually only declare 8%, the IRS WILL come looking for you. Most do 10%. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this is right. the 8% only applies as substitute for keeping records. That is in the absence of records they would declare 8&. However if the person kept records of their tips and it totaled below 8% they would be able to declare the actual amount of income they recieved. There is no tax law that could require you to pay tax on income you did not earn. I'm not 100% certain as I worked in audit and not tax but I am fairly sure. |
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This is not at all the right answer.
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Please define a 'proper' job. You know, I mean by your standards. [/ QUOTE ] By MY standards? I don't get out of bed for <$100/hr. |
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Oh [censored]! you're the one!
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I've done it all. My family has owned restaurants, and I've worked in theirs and others, as wait staff, cashier, dishwasher, food prep, etc. And worked in lots of other customer service jobs too. I always approach the customer positively and do my best no matter how trying it is. I never blame customers for my moods, and I never keep them in the dark as to why anything might be going wrong or when they should expect their meal, etc. I try to make them feel at home, but a little better. I never feel the customer is there for me; I feel I represent the restaurant on the one hand and my own good standards on the other. If I do my job well, both will be well represented. If I'm unwilling to do the job well, I definitely should be fired or quit ASAP. The customer has nothing to do with any of that. You meet all kinds. And unless you're a lousy employee, you give good service to all kinds. Unless they're lousy customers, they give you a good tip back. Sometimes you won't get tipped. That's life. You do your job and hope for the best -- and try to earn it. What I usually see in discussions like this is the amazing sense of entitlement so many waitpersons have. You don't have to know many people to get endless earfuls of stories about bad service, if you ask. Bad service is not uncommon. Mediocre service is usually the best you can hope for unless you go to a more expensive place, and even then, you're still just hoping, and can expect to be waited on better if your clothes are more expensive and less if they're not. I've been on both sides of the fence plenty, and am actually a very good tipper whenever possible. But it's not uncommon that wait staff make giving a good tip simply impossible, and even ruin the meal. Wait staff can be as much of an advertisement for the place as the food itself, and I'm sure, as I noted in another post, that many restaurants lose as many customers over the service as they do over the food. One or two bad experiences and I'm outta there, and my huge loyalty to places I like and normally great tipping is just something that never got a chance to happened. Frankly, I feel more sorry for the owners in some respects than for the wait staff when a dining experience has gone wrong. And of course for the customers, who paid restaurant prices for an unpleasant meal. [/ QUOTE ] What I don't understand, if the service is bad enough where you are thinking about not leaving a tip; why wouldn't you complain to the manager? I've had bad service and I didn't leave a tip but I spoke to the manager and explained why I wasn't tipping. He understood. But it's wrong to just be like "Screw him, I'm not tipping." If the service is bad, speak up. |
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This is not at all the right answer. [/ QUOTE ] Not only have I not made a wrong answer, I haven't provided any useless one-liners. You're either in the discussion or you're out; make up your mind. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BTW- For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. They have to declare how much money they rang up and it gets taxed out of the paycheck. [/ QUOTE ] wow, no [censored]! So that means if i don't leave a tip, that I help the waiter save on taxes! [/ QUOTE ] No, he pays taxes. When you ring in a meal, it gets tallied. So lets say that at the end of the work week, you have $1000 in meals. You have to declare at least 8% or the IRS comes looking for you. So that means you need to declare at least $80 in tips. Whether or not you get tipped, you need to declare $80. So when you are a cheap bastard and don't tip, you cost your server money. BTW-If you continually only declare 8%, the IRS WILL come looking for you. Most do 10%. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this is right. the 8% only applies as substitute for keeping records. That is in the absence of records they would declare 8&. However if the person kept records of their tips and it totaled below 8% they would be able to declare the actual amount of income they recieved. There is no tax law that could require you to pay tax on income you did earn. I'm not 100% certain as I worked in audit and not tax but I am fairly sure. [/ QUOTE ] You are probably right, but I have never met a server who kept a record of all the tips recieved. They just declare 10 to 12% of the money. |
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[ QUOTE ] I'd welcome the chance to speak with a manager about why his waitperson was not worth tipping. [/ QUOTE ] I used to be a manager at a restaurant. The waitresses made $2.50/hr and depended on tips. As a manager, I would know who my good and bad waitresses were. Most of the time, they were tipped. The only group of people who regularly did not tip were Indian people.(big surprise, huh?) If I knew my server was doing a good job and did not get a tip, I would do a paid out of the register. I would do about 10% of the bill. It made my servers happy. I've noticed that when people don't leave a tip, it's usually because of bad service like not getting drinks on time, food being cold and late, not having napkins on the table. That's a big one, not having napkins. People go apeshit if they don't have enough napkins. Another reason is not having toys or crayons for kids to play with. Also, a lot of times with big parties, people assume someone else got the tip when in reality no one did. BTW- For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. They have to declare how much money they rang up and it gets taxed out of the paycheck. Most paychecks are $0.00. You have to work about 50 hours a week to get a check over $5.00. If the service is so bad you don't think a tip is worthy, you should be complaining to the manager anyway. It pisses me off when people who have never worked in the food service industry criticize those who do. Ask anyone who has spent a day serving food and they will tell you how hard it is. [/ QUOTE ] no one said it's not hard. But once again, how servers get paid or not paid is not my friggen problem. You want your servers to make more money? Pay them more. Charge a little more for the food, I don't care. But I will not tip if I feel the service was subpar. And yes, I'll complain to the manager. Once again, tipping is discretionary. Period. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BTW- For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. They have to declare how much money they rang up and it gets taxed out of the paycheck. [/ QUOTE ] wow, no [censored]! So that means if i don't leave a tip, that I help the waiter save on taxes! [/ QUOTE ] No, he pays taxes. When you ring in a meal, it gets tallied. So lets say that at the end of the work week, you have $1000 in meals. You have to declare at least 8% or the IRS comes looking for you. So that means you need to declare at least $80 in tips. Whether or not you get tipped, you need to declare $80. So when you are a cheap bastard and don't tip, you cost your server money. BTW-If you continually only declare 8%, the IRS WILL come looking for you. Most do 10%. [/ QUOTE ] This is a YP, not an MP. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BTW- For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. They have to declare how much money they rang up and it gets taxed out of the paycheck. [/ QUOTE ] wow, no [censored]! So that means if i don't leave a tip, that I help the waiter save on taxes! [/ QUOTE ] No, he pays taxes. When you ring in a meal, it gets tallied. So lets say that at the end of the work week, you have $1000 in meals. You have to declare at least 8% or the IRS comes looking for you. So that means you need to declare at least $80 in tips. Whether or not you get tipped, you need to declare $80. So when you are a cheap bastard and don't tip, you cost your server money. BTW-If you continually only declare 8%, the IRS WILL come looking for you. Most do 10%. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think this is right. the 8% only applies as substitute for keeping records. That is in the absence of records they would declare 8&. However if the person kept records of their tips and it totaled below 8% they would be able to declare the actual amount of income they recieved. There is no tax law that could require you to pay tax on income you did earn. I'm not 100% certain as I worked in audit and not tax but I am fairly sure. [/ QUOTE ] You are probably right, but I have never met a server who kept a record of all the tips recieved. They just declare 10 to 12% of the money. [/ QUOTE ] well, that's rather stupid, isn't it? |
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Who said I wouldn't? I'm not sure why you would assume that. I have done so in the past and I would do it again. In a line you yourself quoted, I noted that I would be happy to speak to the manager.
However, you can't force the wait staff to produce a manager, and you don't owe the restaurant the undertaking of the unpleasant task, after an unpleasant meal, of extending the matter further. Few people think of a confrontation as a desirable thing, especially when out for a meal with the family, a date, etc. I view it as a courtesy to the manager when I do make a complaint, because no business owner needs to have his own people undermining him. And I may actually like the food and the atmosphere quite a lot, except for the waitperson. However, it is no more an obligation of the customer to help the manager run his business than it is for him to help keep the wait staff happy when they give bad service. Again, it would be a courtesy. And I have sometimes extended it. But most of the time, like most other people, if I don't like a place I simply don't come back. The invisible effect of bad service, to the owner. The waitperson probably loses the least out of the whole transaction. |
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How many posts does it take to be apart of this conversation?
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If you've decided to just get into gain-saying and one liners, please pick someone else. That kind of competition can have no winners and no interest to anyone.
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By the way,
do you feel the need to give back the tips that are overly generous or when you feel you did not give service good enough to warrant the tip given?
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This isn't at all what I'm saying and if you would take the time to read my other posts, you'd see that. I disagree with (what I see to be) your main contention that the reason Das Leben got stiffed was due to his poor service when all I've seen in this whole thread is a hell of a lot of people bend over backwards to justify the times when they haven't tipped.
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Why you didn't say something intelligible like that instead of saying something useless like "You're wrong" is beyond me.
That said, "all I've seen"? You've still drifted away from speaking frankly and usefully. There's not a person who has read this thread, yourself included, that does not know that that's not all you've seen. What you are is off on a tear. Leave me out. Come back to the subject when you want to discuss it and not just be pissed and use hyperbole. |
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I honestly don't know what your motivations are or why you decided to mess with me, but I assure you I am totally calm. As much as I would love to discuss this matter further I am starting to think that the two of us ignoring each other is definitely the right decision. I wish you the best, and I wish you a pleasant evening.
Brian. p.s. At the risk of sounding like an ass kisser, I really do respect your posts in the Politics forum. I truly wish you nothing but the best. |
Re: Got stiffed on a tip tonight
I'm amazed that no one else has proposed that, perhaps, they just FORGOT to leave a tip before leaving?
I'm a pretty decent tipper - 20-25% for good to great service, 15% for slightly disappointing service. The wait staff would have to be pretty atrocious for me to not tip (in fact, I can't remember doing it). But I know I've forgotten a few times and kicked myself when I realized it later. It's certainly possible they were just cheap, or had some problem with Leben's service. But I'd imagine a lot of the time, customers aren't stiffing you -- they just forgot. |
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Many of my friends are waiters/waitresses (or have been at some point). Every single one of them refused to work at any restaurant that did not automatically include gratuity on the tab for parties of 6 or more (okay, sometimes 8 or more).
If you can, try to find a restaurant that has a similar policy. You simply cannot afford to work your ass off for a party of ten people and not get paid for it. There are plenty of restaurants out there. Find one that isn't a lottery for large parties. |
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I had something like this happen to me last night. I had AA and I worked an worked the pot. Yet some goober sucked out on me at the river. I did all the work, but I didn't get paid! Life sucks. I sympathize with you entirely.
I have conveniently forgotten all the times I sucked out on someone else. They deserved it, for thinking their AA could beat my 54o. I notice you too have conveniently forgotten all the times you were overtipped. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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I consistently make 18-20% [/ QUOTE ] then this is just variance. in the long run youll make 18-20%. sometimes more, sometimes less. but it doesnt really matter. |
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I consistently make 18-20% myself [/ QUOTE ] Is this typical for Applebees? If so, I think I should reduce my average tip from 17% to 13%. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. |
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Do you know what this is?
http://www.cornelschneider.ch/images/Geige03.jpg It’s the world’s smallest violin, playing just for the waiters. |
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[ QUOTE ] I consistently make 18-20% [/ QUOTE ] then this is just variance. in the long run youll make 18-20%. sometimes more, sometimes less. but it doesnt really matter. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. This post is the equivalent of a bad beat post. You didn't get tipped. It sucks. Get over it. |
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Class.
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No, he pays taxes. When you ring in a meal, it gets tallied. So lets say that at the end of the work week, you have $1000 in meals. You have to declare at least 8% or the IRS comes looking for you. So that means you need to declare at least $80 in tips. Whether or not you get tipped, you need to declare $80. So when you are a cheap bastard and don't tip, you cost your server money. BTW-If you continually only declare 8%, the IRS WILL come looking for you. Most do 10%. [/ QUOTE ] [censored] all that. I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips. That's [censored] up but that ain't my fault. I mean, it would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups that the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. I mean, if you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. I've got two words for that: learn to [censored] type. 'Cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big [censored] surprise. |
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That is absolutely wrong what they did. I always tip 20% regardless of the service. Tell you what, give me ur pokerstars id and I'll send u $10.
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DasLeben, that blows. I waited tables for two years in college and one after. While I don't think anyone left me literally NOTHING like in this situation, I would've been livid. I absolutely would've walked outside to ask someone what the F? Like, "Hey, guys, was there a problem with the service?"
Those of you who are blaming it on the waiters for having crappy jobs, or going the whole "it's disctretionary" route, are completely full of crap. I only hope you're doing the internet big-talking and don't actually do this ever, because if you do you are a douchebag of epic proportions. I don't care what your [censored] "rights" are, if the go to a restaurant and the waiter doesn't take a [censored] in your food and you don't tip ANYTHING, you are a cockhole. |
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Waaaaaaaaaay too easy.
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I mean, I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips. That's [censored] up but that ain't my fault. I mean, it would appear that waitresses are one of the many groups that the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. I mean, if you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. I've got two words for that: learn to [censored] type. 'Cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big [censored] surprise. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly right. Stupid system, don't blame the customers who choose not to go along with it. If you can't live with the way the job pays, it's not the job for you. Get over it, or move on. |
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I know this is OOT, and I know u guys don't mean any harm but this guy was truly wronged. As americans we take pride in tipping and it has become something that tipped employees depend on. Personally I am happy that I have the option to tip what I want. I just got back from the EU and let me tell you, those people have no class. Not only do they force tips into the price but they even charge you to use the toilet. Think about it, you pay $100 for your dinner, go to the bathroom, and there's a street thug lady in there asking u for 50 cents to wash your hands. Treat people right, and let's keep our country great, lest we become like those classes europeans:)
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For those of you who don't think tipping is part of the bill, STFU. Servers don't get a paycheck. [/ QUOTE ] I hate tipping. I do it, but on some occassions, I don't. What I seriously don't appreciate is the societal pressure to tip, when in reality restaurants should pay their employees a decent amount, so their employees don't have to rely on charity to pay their bills. |
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They all got sirloin steaks, shrimp, and stuff like that. The ending tab: $102 [/ QUOTE ] Red Lobster? Regards, Woodguy |
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[ QUOTE ] They all got sirloin steaks, shrimp, and stuff like that. The ending tab: $102 [/ QUOTE ] Red Lobster? Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] Apparently it was Appleby's. It's shocking that someone wouldn't tip at such a high-class establishment. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
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Getting left 0 is brutal - you have to be a super douchebag to tip nothing, or the service has to be utterly non-existent. I'd bet it's the former in this case, as it usually is. I can't believe how cheap some people are - seriously [/ QUOTE ] I agree. I was taught by my parents to always tip generously. They instilled in me that it was good manners. It's something that they taught all their children. I know people will say I'm a chump but even to this day I cannot stiff a waiter because I can envision my mom's disapproving scowl if I were to do so. 15-20% people. have a heart. |
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Shitty tipper Database [/ QUOTE ] Couple comments on this...first, wow, what a sense of entitlement... 1. Evidently a good tip is SOLELY based on percentage. I saw many $1000 dinner bills w/ $100 tips listed as shitty, really? It may not be 17%, but, maybe you should look at it as "WOW a $100 TIP!!!", not the % 2. Also, evidently celebrities are required to tip a much higher percentage than anyone else. Are they expecting a $100 tip on a $10 bill just because the person is a celeb? 3. Lastly, maybe these servers arent' telling the whole story (big surprise), I saw many $250 dinner bills w/ a 25cent tip. Do you think they really sat there and gave you 25cents because they are cheap?, no way, that was meant to be a statement, they probably received crappy service and it's there way of telling you so. They didn't want to not tip at all because then you might think they just forgot, you were supposed to notice the 25cents. That is all |
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People are assholes. Such is life. The privledged and selfish aren't going to cry for you, Sparky.
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why does this always turn into a stupid argument and calling people cheap? this has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING CHEAP.
if you're cheap, are you likely to tip less? well, sure. but you're also likely to not want to spend money in other ways. if you get stiffed on a tip though, it DOES NOT mean that the people are "cheap". it's about service. i don't think i've ever stiffed someone. i usually just give around 15% all the time, more for better service. but i hate that i do that. it's gotten to the point where it's expected, and servers have gotten lazy. face the facts! the whole purpose of a tip is to show you appreciated the service. it IS NOT OR SHOULD NEVER BECOME CUSTOMARY. that website is horrible too.. some whiner in an ice cream parlor complaining that tom hanks ONLY DROPPED A DOLLAR IN THE TIP JAR FOR HIS $10 ICE CREAM ORDER! i'd like that slap that bitch in the face! the tip jar is the most bogus thing i've ever seen. people tip WAY TOO MUCH in the united states. europe has it right baby. man, if you are gonna start tipping morons in ice cream parlors and starbucks, where is it going to end? why not just tip everyone? you're an engineer? you designed this bridge downtown? put a jar outside and every time i drive over it i'll give you a buck. how [censored] dumb. |
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I'm sure you have had 30% tips on similar bills before, so stop complaining. It's called variance.
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