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Did you read the first 2 sentences then stop?

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...Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.


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Here are some answers that would have been helpful for him to answer:

1. Have you discussed this directly with an affiliate manager
2 Are you working directly with PartyPoker or with a 3rd party
3. Do you have any confirmation that this is something that Party won't try to stop in the near future? If so, why not provide it?
4. Do you have any information on the alternative that Party is creating and how it will affect the rakeback you're giving?
5. Can I borrow $50?

From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions. Are these recent actions not a wake-up call? Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback. They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers. New trackers have to wait 60 days before the stats can be seen.

These are not the actions of a company that seems to be willing to offer rakeback under the table.


Cup

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So instead of his differing view of what is happening, the only official view (in the Democratic Republic of China sense of the word) allowed on this forum is that no rakeback is available?

Why not delete the original post for the exact same reason you deleted stoxtraders? You know exactly why.

Anyway, it was inevitable that sponsor-BS would spread its taint away from the sponsored forums.

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OK Cup... now here comes the tough question...

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They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers.

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Did ALL the reputable rakeback affiliates immediately pay their customers the back rakeback for the time they could not see the individual trackers, once they could see them again?! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

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Your avatar is getting old.

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cup's avatar = BEST.AVATAR.EVER

what is getting old is when you can't win a debate, you resort to personal attacks like a child.

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the rakeback forum is a paid advertising area of 2+2. people that don't like it should pay the fee for a forum of their own. i am sure it can be arranged.

if they don't want to pay that much, then there are very reasonable banner spots available throughout the rest of the forums.

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

This is your OPINION.
That does not make it FACT.


Agreed. I am often wrong.

If Stox has a DIFFERENT opinion than you then doesn't make it incorrect.

I agree.

(note - I did not see the original post that was banned....but my impression is that stox was also expressing a different opinion on this matter AND also mentioned some details WHY he thought this).

With the way stox worded it, it's my impression that Stox reposted the original post in this thread. That is what I'm basing my comments on. If it was different, then I apologize.

I stand by my comment that you quoted in your post. It is my understanding that Party does NOT endorse these new rakeback accounts and will be taking measures to close them in the near future. It is also my understanding that Party will be creating some sort of rakeback alternative for you, the player.

This is the unofficial information that I have heard from Party. I believe that the official statement will be given tomorrow. If Stox were sharing information he had heard rather than announcing his new rakeback 'mechanism' then we would have allowed the post.

It is undeniable that Party has yet to reach an official resolution to this matter and until they do, affiliates that are currently signing players up are being reckless.



Cup

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Did ALL the reputable rakeback affiliates immediately pay their customers the back rakeback for the time they could not see the individual trackers, once they could see them again?!

I don't know, but I did.

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

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Did ALL the reputable rakeback affiliates immediately pay their customers the back rakeback for the time they could not see the individual trackers, once they could see them again?!

I don't know, but I did.

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Cool, wow, I might be $7.57 richer!

Gonna have to contact my er, bonus equity mediator about my potential backlogged stream of player award bonuses. I'm sure he wont be too hassled or stressed right now.

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bonus equity mediator

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Lori

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

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Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback.

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I think you meant not 'because of rakeback' but because they were losing 'sub-optimal' high-volume customers to skins. Rakeback was the reason for them going there though.

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

That is correct.

Party states that they seperated the player base because they want to promote their casino platform. That may be true, but the skin/rakeback issue had to be a factor.

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You guys running that affiliate forum could be good, bad, or indifferent. I have no way of knowing, really; and yet I (and seemingly many others) have a somewhat negative attitude toward you just from your high-handed "controlling".

Yeah, yeah, I know you figure it's justified because you're paying for the forum. And I'm sure it is, if controlling is all you're after.

But assuming that you would like to generate some goodwill and additional customers in addition to the ego trip of being "in charge", do you think you're going about it in the best possible way to "win friends and influence people"?

If people are spreading false info, perhaps a better approach would be to NOT delete their posts and LOCK their threads and impose your RULES. You could, instead, post a rebuttal to info that you think is incorrect and invite the readers to wait and see who's really right. It would certainly build your credibility if you are right, and the people who may sign on with another affiliate who has misrepresented will waste no time figuring out a way to ditch the jerk and sign on with you, the good guys.

Our society may not be quite as free as we might like, but it's still free enough that people will hate anybody who tries censorship, whether they have any real interest in the matter being censored or not.

Just my two cents. If you're happy with the way your forum is going, just ignore this.

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Party states that they seperated the player base because they want to promote their casino platform. That may be true, but the skin/rakeback issue had to be a factor.

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The Party CEO also said this last month...

"...We have over 5,000 active affiliates...which is a core strength within our marketing armoury."

"...There were some very compelling reasons for us having skins when the business started, to drive player liquidity. Those compelling reasons don't exist today..."

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Obviously the Affiliate/RB forum sucks and is not in the best interest of 2+2ers. Its a sponsored forum, you're not going to get the best information and people are going to abuse their powers.

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All these sponsored forums probably sounded like a good idea going in, but it's now obvious they are worthless to the users. If 2+2 needs more revenue to run the board, I'd much rather just pay an annual fee for access and be done with all the self-serving "moderating."

Re: i got my post deleted?
 

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Did you read the first 2 sentences then stop?

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...Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.


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Here are some answers that would have been helpful for him to answer:

1. Have you discussed this directly with an affiliate manager
2 Are you working directly with PartyPoker or with a 3rd party
3. Do you have any confirmation that this is something that Party won't try to stop in the near future? If so, why not provide it?
4. Do you have any information on the alternative that Party is creating and how it will affect the rakeback you're giving?
5. Can I borrow $50?

From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions. Are these recent actions not a wake-up call? Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback. They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers. New trackers have to wait 60 days before the stats can be seen.

These are not the actions of a company that seems to be willing to offer rakeback under the table.


Cup

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please at least give me some credit

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Did you read the first 2 sentences then stop?

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...Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.


[/ QUOTE ]

Here are some answers that would have been helpful for him to answer:

1. Have you discussed this directly with an affiliate manager
2 Are you working directly with PartyPoker or with a 3rd party
3. Do you have any confirmation that this is something that Party won't try to stop in the near future? If so, why not provide it?
4. Do you have any information on the alternative that Party is creating and how it will affect the rakeback you're giving?
5. Can I borrow $50?

From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions. Are these recent actions not a wake-up call? Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback. They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers. New trackers have to wait 60 days before the stats can be seen.

These are not the actions of a company that seems to be willing to offer rakeback under the table.


Cup

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please at least give me some credit

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that's all from Sept?? insane

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That's sick!

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The information stox provides in this post is of minimal use to a player... It is dangerous.

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Someone may post in MTT that you should fold Aces if a bunch of people go all-in in front of you to avoid busting out, but I'm not going to delete the post even if I think it's dangerous and of minimal value. Buyer beware. Present both sides and let people make up their own mind. I understand that a direct link or advertisement should be removed (but not the entire post) but beyond that I think (almost) anything goes. And if somebody is truly attacking an offer he's making or his business ethics than he should certainly have a chance to address the remarks and explain what he's doing.

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As a customer of Stox, I can say with all honesty that he is very very good as an affiliate. He is also very helpful on the TITN message boards.

Honestly, from my dealings with him, he would get my business at a few % less then the competition. He pays on time, every time (usually sooner). He also responds to support requests very quickly.

I would highly recommend him. PM me if you have any questions.

Margon

(I don't have any associate with the site, other than as a user)

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Did you read the first 2 sentences then stop?

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...Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.


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Here are some answers that would have been helpful for him to answer:

1. Have you discussed this directly with an affiliate manager
2 Are you working directly with PartyPoker or with a 3rd party
3. Do you have any confirmation that this is something that Party won't try to stop in the near future? If so, why not provide it?
4. Do you have any information on the alternative that Party is creating and how it will affect the rakeback you're giving?
5. Can I borrow $50?

From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions. Are these recent actions not a wake-up call? Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback. They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers. New trackers have to wait 60 days before the stats can be seen.

These are not the actions of a company that seems to be willing to offer rakeback under the table.


Cup

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please at least give me some credit

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that's all from Sept?? insane

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its not all from sept....he said it was a continuation of his last one which i believe started around june.

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"pay their customers the back rakeback for the time they could not see the individual trackers, once they could see them again?! "

Good point, but know for myself that i divided it during the time beeing, the players played with the existing cricumstances and was satisified with that. As the money is spent (on the players) the affiliate cant hardly be asked to devide them once more... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]