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The two reasons Giga gave for folding, if I understand correctly, were:
1) Pusher is tight, so the range is likely to make curtains a dog.
2) Pusher is tight, and curtains is a far superior SH player, so curtains should be able to steal frequently in the future.

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The two reasons Giga gave for folding, if I understand correctly, were:
1) Pusher is tight, so the range is likely to make curtains a dog.

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that's def. what daliman was saying. i think gigabet too. and i think it's completely wrong. any decent player in that situation will be pushing with a range that is well behind A9s, and hero had pot odds.

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2) Pusher is tight, and curtains is a far superior SH player, so curtains should be able to steal frequently in the future.

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i think the thing about stealing a lot was more related to rojo's supposed tightness (mostly with 6+ players) and curtains' stack. my sense from the thread was that gigabet thought rojo was better than curtains.

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FWIW, I think the 215 public in general has opened up their calling standards of big stack bullying (since it was so effective and everyone started doing it), so while a fold + running over the table may have been the highest $EV play at some point in the past, it clearly (IMO at least) isn't now (against most players/in most situations). Around Feb./March is when I really started noticing a change, following an influx of a number of hyper-aggressive players (who, without fail, would use the "push like a maniac with the big stack" strategy).

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with those blinds, there really isn't gonna be very many future opps to steal from the other stacks if you fold...

if blinds were smaller i could see it, but at 500?

and many people will push any-ace, any-king once itm...

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I still stand by my original post. Calling with diamonds is horrible, if it was clubs its an easy call.

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Wow. That old school post just blew me away. Either people played way worse just 10 months ago, or people's advice was way worse 10 months ago. Either way, if someone played bad enough to make this a fold at the 215's I would be shocked, which is why I am shocked that advice from very good players was to fold. Wow.

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Wow. That old school post just blew me away. Either people played way worse just 10 months ago, or people's advice was way worse 10 months ago. Either way, if someone played bad enough to make this a fold at the 215's I would be shocked, which is why I am shocked that advice from very good players was to fold. Wow.

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the games were way better 10 months ago.

citanul

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Wow has gigabet changed.

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lol, i havent seen this post in a long long time. against rojosox 10 months ago, he prolly has A9 pwnd. he was the tightest prick in the world in that spot. dont get me wrong.. i still autocall.. but its entertaining. holla

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This hand is from 2/2005 and I think I remember it. Your reg date is from 2003.

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Fold, obviously. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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havnt read the replies but i say thats a easy call.

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This hand is from 2/2005 and I think I remember it. Your reg date is from 2003.

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Yes but at that time I had made only about 200 posts in 2 years! Please notice Ive since made over 5000 in about 6 months.

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and I thought I had no life... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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raptor

ive noticed that even tight players adjust when the blinds are this large. cant reads like [ QUOTE ]
he was the tightest prick in the world in that spot.

[/ QUOTE ] be somewhat thrown out the window? or by "that spot" do you mean exactly when the blinds were this large with these stacks?

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Wow I suck.. wtf was I thinking..

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The old post was great, I agreed with you then and this was the post that got me really reading on 2+2.

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I thought about that, but it seemed crazy.

Now, 2800 posts or so in about 9 months, that's perfectly normal.

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This hand is from 2/2005 and I think I remember it. Your reg date is from 2003.

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Yes but at that time I had made only about 200 posts in 2 years! Please notice Ive since made over 5000 in about 6 months.

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really? I remember you as a regular when I joined for some reason...that was fall 04...

youre a sneaky one

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I didn't believe him either, but I checked the archive server and the Curtains on there has very few posts.

Lori

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I didn't believe him either, but I checked the archive server and the Curtains on there has very few posts.

Lori

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maybe I am confusing him with Venetian Blinds...

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raptor

ive noticed that even tight players adjust when the blinds are this large. cant reads like [ QUOTE ]
he was the tightest prick in the world in that spot.

[/ QUOTE ] be somewhat thrown out the window? or by "that spot" do you mean exactly when the blinds were this large with these stacks?

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haha, i duno if u knew the rojosox of old.. but 10 months ago when he was breaking onto the sng scene a bit, he was one of the TIGHTEST players there was. with a stack out there below 1500, at 250-500, as well as shoving into the big stack, it might have actually been slightly -ev to call with A9o against rojosox's pushing range. thats what my point was. and note again, i still autocall, specially now. holla

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This hand is from 2/2005 and I think I remember it. Your reg date is from 2003.

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Yes but at that time I had made only about 200 posts in 2 years! Please notice Ive since made over 5000 in about 6 months.

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So, obviously, you all have me to thank for curtains' increased posting in this forum.

You're welcome.

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What if this hand was in the bubbble and curtainz had 4000 rojo and 2500 and the others 1500 1000? At blinds of 300?

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What if this hand was in the bubbble and curtainz had 4000 rojo and 2500 and the others 1500 1000? At blinds of 300?

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so the question is:

what if this wer an entirely different hand, with nothing similar at all, except 2 players being the same, either of whom would likely have a different playing style in this new scenario than in the original (ie, new reads)?

citanul

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As Raptor suggested, I was the tightest prick ever back then. I don't play sngs anymore. I am destroying in cash games. But anyhow, that's an EASY call. I would call myself shoving there! (What did i shove anyhow? QJo?) Thrilling repost. CALL Curtains!!!!!!!!!!! - Jared