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Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
No, but you did say that these poker sites are based in second and third world countries. Could you tell us in which second world country any of these sites is based?
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Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
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No, but you did say that these poker sites are based in second and third world countries. Could you tell us in which second world country any of these sites is based? [/ QUOTE ] Well, he's clearly referencing Canada. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] |
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"Look, I'm very intelligent. If you can't say something mildly interesting, then shut the f uck up!" Melvin is my hero!
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Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, but you did say that these poker sites are based in second and third world countries. Could you tell us in which second world country any of these sites is based? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, he's clearly referencing Canada. [/ QUOTE ] OK. A guy can only take so much CRAZY TALK. We are not a 3rd World Country! We have 3rd world debt which means our politicians are rich and our country is 3rd World poor. But to call us 3rd World, EHHH? And now, back to the really CRAZY talk.. |
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I would never joke around about something as serious as rigged online poker sites.
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No I believe this completely! What's more - Pacific Poker is rigged!!!
I start playing tonight and get KK. Then it gets cracked on the river by someone who makes a gutshot with his 7 (he had J7o)!!! At this point I'm planning to close my account and transfer all my money out of the acocunt. What happens? I get KK the VERY NEXT HAND! I'm like - WTF??? And it HOLDS UP!!!!! First I was really happy but then I got scared. They must have known that I was going to close my account and let me have a win!!!! I haven't checked my computer for spyware so they probably have some sort of tracker on my computer that reads thoughts.... |
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David makes good points about the swings. My last live session in AC was brutal, absolutely brutal. The one before that had me down pretty good too, almsot the whole session. I lost with quads to a str-fl, LIVE!, and then the cards ran wild and I came back.
bankrobber's complaint about all of a sudden going dry on good starting hands isn't what costs you money. You can avoid putting money in there. It's when your hands that are favored 75-80% PF and 80-90% post flop start to lose over and over again. Basically, out of 20 times, they lose the percentage of time they should be winning. That's the main characterstic of a bad run on Party and it costs you a lot of money and rightfully so. You were a big favorite and got as many of your chips in as you could. After a while though, AK and JJ look about as good as 72o. That's about when the big Fri David talked about kicks in and it's good again. I've seen Astroglide say that, for good players to become winning ones online, dealing with the swings will be the biggest obstacle. |
Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
You'll see my question was referencing 2nd world countries.
Don't worry, we're all aware Canada is neither a second or a third world country. |
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I've had similar concerns about the cards being manipulated by the online card rooms. I mean, it's not like your playing with a physical deck. And who is doing the auditing? As far as I can tell, it is some "puppet" company set up by the online card room itself. But, what can you do? You can either pull your money out and hold to your principles. Or you can still take a crack at beating the "crooked" game anyway. I think most people choose the latter.
But, if someone has a legitimate interest in getting a hard look at the numbers by a PhD candidate, I guess I'll throw my resume out there. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've got a B.S. in Math from the UW, and if someone wants to sponser me getting a PhD in math relating to online gaming probabilities, I'd be a neat way to get a PhD. But, I don't know any legit pure math department that would sponser such a thing. It'd probably have to be at a university that has a little looser criteria for a PhD, so that would be a negative concern. I don't want a PhD from "cereal box-top U". Ugh. lmao. Hey, at least it's a PhD. --Cents |
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I haven't checked my computer for spyware so they probably have some sort of tracker on my computer that reads thoughts.... [/ QUOTE ] See, if you have a tin-foil hat, you don't have to worry about this. |
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Maybe the next time Party does gift hampers they could include tin-foil hats, and that way everyone would know they were not rigged...
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This is the first time I've heard this complaint. [/ QUOTE ] awesome. |
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I've noticed that most of the time the cards are completely fair, but after I've had a couple of beers, the software starts letting the other players beat my good hands. How the hell do they know when I've been drinking?
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Anyone else notice this or am I crazy? [/ QUOTE ] You're not crazy, just misinformed, ignorant, etc. But while we're on the subject of party's questionable software, here's something that really annoys me. I'll sit at a table in, say mid position, and hit the "wait for big blind" button when I'm given the option to either post or wait. Sometimes the blinds come around to me and I'm prompted to post. But the majority of the time party just checks the "deal me out" box and I usually miss the blinds. Sometimes I notice this so I'll wait until the blinds are near and uncheck the box. But party [censored] checks the box back right after the hand is over! Anyone else have this problem? |
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I would never joke around about something as serious as rigged online poker sites. --turnipmonster [/ QUOTE ] The only good thing about insane thread topics like this are these kinds of responces. Thanks for a laugh turnip! |
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However I find it hard to significantly improve my bankroll by bluffing at pots or limping in with T3 suited. [/ QUOTE ] See I think this might be your problem. The calling stations at PArty are VERY suseptable to bluffing. Just try it -- you will see what i mean. And you have to play T3s -- that is a monster hand! |
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[ QUOTE ] i see the same thing only i play for a couple days wher no matter what you hild you flop nuts. then i go bad come back 3 weeks later and can not lose.my cousin works with computers at xerox just started playing online at part poker and says that there is a patter to the software. he does not trust it [/ QUOTE ] If your cousin has played 100,000+ hands at PP and kept records that indicate the patterns, then this would warrant attention. Otherwise it's just a guess. Sort of like saying the dealer didn't shuffle the cards right at a B&M room. |
Re: Paranoia? Maybe....But Without Regulations U Can\'t Be Sure
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[ QUOTE ] Hopefully, some math/computer guru, will analyze this sites for a PhD thesis, and we will know which sites are honest and which sites are cutting corners.... [/ QUOTE ] Only in clown college dude. [/ QUOTE ] How DARE you talk about LSU like that! |
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Dammit people: If I've told you once I've told you a hundred times! Tinfoil hats don't work anymore -- you have to use ALUMINUM foil lined in wax paper. Jesus!
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Playing 60 straight hands without seeing a face card. When having TPTK getting beat by a set, ect. [/ QUOTE ] Noooo? That's terrible! And juding by the rest of your post it sounds as though your only solution is to re-create new account all the time. I sure am glad I don't have that problem. I just keep winning non-stop. Maybe you should email Party and say that your account is broken or something. |
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But while we're on the subject of party's questionable software, here's something that really annoys me. I'll sit at a table in, say mid position, and hit the "wait for big blind" button when I'm given the option to either post or wait. Sometimes the blinds come around to me and I'm prompted to post. But the majority of the time party just checks the "deal me out" box and I usually miss the blinds. Sometimes I notice this so I'll wait until the blinds are near and uncheck the box. But party [censored] checks the box back right after the hand is over! Anyone else have this problem? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I just made a post on that myself. Drives me crazy. wait for a round for the BB, then Party screws up and you have to either pay extra BB to join in or wait for a second round...and a second chance Party will just do the exact same thing over again. |
Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
As a side note, the number of tables displayed includes play money (I'm pretty sure) so your numbers on Party's earnings are probably off by a bit. But your point remains valid.
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How do U really know??!
Iīm just wondering how the f**k you could be so sure that Party (and others) dont rig their games? Ivīe had my thought at this too. Ivīe seen some real crazystuff at the tables. But later Ivīe been convinced that itīs just a part of the game. But for the last 2 weeks I have been x-posed to sooo many bad beats and outdrawns like never before. I always felt a little strange about party, but this is just to much. So I took 2 days and played at Paradise, and I wasnīt outdrawn half as much as I been at party.
Just think itīs a funny coincidence. I dont say Iīm sure the games are rigged. But Iīm not convinced that they arenīt either. And I know you can make moeny out of it, rigged or not. But if the really are, wouldnīt it be nice to know? Even if you make a ton of moeny today? I wanna stay at party because of itīs looseness, but if it continues like this, itīs not worth it. I know there can be gr8 swings under a long time of period. But when you gettin outdrawn hand after hand over a long time of period, and then swith to another site a couple of days and suddently a big part of the beatz are gone, whats the odds of that?! Just wondering if thereīs any 3-6$ players and above that dont play at party and have a good winrate? Tell me then why you dont play at party, cuz Iīm thinkin of goin back to Paradise, at least for a while. //Just my thoughts. |
Re: How do U really know??!
You are right. I have never - NOT ONCE - been run over at Paradise. It must be the other site.
PS: Get a life. Bug |
Re: How do U really know??!
Thanx man, now Iīm feelin much better. Why do most of you have to be so sarcastic about everything you dont like?? I didnt say this never happends at paradise. But all this posts about rigged games, arenīt most of them about party?? Am I wrong?
Again, Iīm not sain the games are rigged, but Iīm not sain the arenīt either(!) |
Re: Paranoia? Maybe....But Without Regulations U Can\'t Be Sure
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hopefully, some math/computer guru, will analyze this sites for a PhD thesis, and we will know which sites are honest and which sites are cutting corners.... [/ QUOTE ] Only in clown college dude. [/ QUOTE ] How DARE you talk about LSU like that! [/ QUOTE ] LOL |
Re: How do U really know??!
It might be that there are more complaints about Party because it is the busiest site on the net with the most new players. More players = more bad beats.
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**IMO, the crooked s/w would want to MINIMIZE the number of BIG winners and MINIMIZE the number of BIG losers. In other words, they, idealy, would want to create an atmosphere where the money gets swapped around back-and-forth with no big winners and no big losers while the sites happily collect their rakes. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the not-crooked sites as well as the B&M rooms would want this too. Fortunately for them, this is a situation that is already present in the game of poker.....a minimal big winners, minimal big losers, and most of the players just swapping their money back and forth. |
Re: Party Makes $1,000,000,000 per year - why rig it?
A well-written dissertation on this topic would not necessarily come from a clown college. What leads you to this belief?
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Unbelievable!! Can't believe anyone can win at party with their first deposit.. i lost my first deposit($50) in half an hour.. i mean ive played in pacific poker, poker room, empire poker, golden tigerpoker and interpoker, but never ever have been so "lucky".. i lost two times my fullhouse cuz someone rivered a bigger one.. the i lost a set to a backdoor flush.. finally my last 10 bucks were lost with pocket rockets to a rivered set of queens.. PARTY POKER FUCKS WITH US!!! party is the reason im afraid of betting on the river unless i have the nuts.. rot in hell party
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Unbelievable!! Can't believe anyone can win at party with their first deposit.. i lost my first deposit($50) in half an hour.. [/ QUOTE ] I have a feeling this is a regular posting messing with us, but I'll bite. Aren't you suppose to win on your first deposit so you keep coming back? I've always heard the rig it in the favor of first time players. |
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This exact same thing has happened to me on 3 different sites. 2 of the 3 I have 2 OR more accounts and the exact same thing happened. Your story is like deja vu. WOW!!!
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It is not all that interesting from a math perspective. Perhaps a thesis in Business or Statistics would be more suitable.
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When I first started playing online poker. I signed up with Party Poker and deposited $100. I lost that $100 in a Saturday afternoon. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Why didnt I triple my money? Did the software somehow "forget" about me? |
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Like, this one time, when I was at a casino, I saw this one hand... two guys saw the flop, and, like, it was KJx. And then, oh man, the turn was a JACK... so the board was KJxK! And there's no cap when it's heads up, so these two guys just go at it, raising and reraising until the one guy's entire $100 stack was in! I thought FOR SURE they both had KJ -- but then a third J hits the river! The all-in guy flips KK and the other guy flips AJ and takes it down with rivered quads beating kings full!
That casino is so totally rigged. And it's not even close! |
Re: Paranoia? Maybe....But Without Regulations U Can\'t Be Sure
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Lets look at the facts. 1. Most of these on-line poker sites are based in 2nd world and 3rd world countries. 2. These sites want to make money. And many of these sites are making TONS of money. 3. There is little regulation for many of these sites. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, let us look at the facts! The fishiest of ALL online poker sites, Pacific Poker, is owned by Cassava Enterprises Inc., which is incorporated in GIBRALTAR. Now, as you may or may not know, Gibraltar is a colony the United Kingdom, and surrounded by Spain. Last time I checked neither country were considered part of the third, or for that matter the second, world. Incidentally Cassava also owns Casino-on-Net, which has been in the online gambling racket since 1996, ample time I am sure, to be caught 'in flagrante', as it were, if they were up to anything suspect, given the average paranoia in the "zoo". This sounds (even to me) as advertizing for Pacific, but no, it is not. What I am saying is simply that being a regular player there I see my good and great hands (PF and later) being cracked by absolute junk more often than most, and I fail to see why that would make Pacific rigged?! If you don't believe me, try for yourself. I've got two suggestions for the "rigg-fearing" online players in these forums: 1 - Give yourself two aces, deal nine starting hands, and properly deal a five card board. Repeat a few hundred times. 2 - If you a) believe YOU are rigged, or b) still believe online poker is rigged, JUST STOP PLAYING ONLINE! Regards, Slim |
Re: How do U really know??!
Hey I don't know if they are rigged or not. But there aren't possible to create a infinite number random generator as I know it. It will repeat it self eventually.
Having that said, I think creating a rigged random number generator isn't worth while. The rakes are allready very profiatble in small stakes table. In fact it isn't that easy winning enough to stay a head of the rake... Another thing: It's the looseness that increases the odds of being outdrawn. But in the long run it's the same looseness that makes it easy to profit as a tight/aggressive player. As you all know drawing against the odds in limit, will almost always cost you in the long run. Sorry for stateing the obvious.... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Just one more thing that some of you perhaps need to think about, If you flip a coin 100 times and write down the series. Then you ask a couple of people to write down a random series of 100 coin flips (without doing the actual flip). It is rather easy spotting the flipped series as it will have more tails or heads in a row for example. My point being that what a person sees as a random series usually doesn't allow enough extreme values to be statistically correct. /that's all folks |
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Unbelievable!! Can't believe anyone can win at party with their first deposit.. i lost my first deposit($50) in half an hour.. i mean ive played in pacific poker, poker room, empire poker, golden tigerpoker and interpoker, but never ever have been so "lucky".. i lost two times my fullhouse cuz someone rivered a bigger one.. the i lost a set to a backdoor flush.. finally my last 10 bucks were lost with pocket rockets to a rivered set of queens.. PARTY POKER FUCKS WITH US!!! party is the reason im afraid of betting on the river unless i have the nuts.. rot in hell party [/ QUOTE ] And so it goes. Thread starts off - "Party is rigged because I win at first, then lose" Multiple responses - "I'm not saying it's rigged, but this also happened to me/a friend of mine" Guy above - "Party is rigged because I quickly lost my first deposit." When are people going to stop putting value on anecdotal evidence, and start beleiving the (lack of) statistical evidence. Look, at least half the people here log every hand via PT. I'm sure many of them examined their data for patterns and/or statistically significant deviation from the random. How many posts have you seen from people with actual data, saying site x is rigged? Enough already |
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Anyone else notice this or am I crazy? [/ QUOTE ] no, you are not crazy, and you are not alone. some other people are with you too. the way to beat partypoker is to deposit $10000 (they will let you once you become a VIP player) into your new account, triple your initial deposit (exactly like you did the previously two times) and cashout before they turn on the "flop-burn" switch for you character (account). though i have never personally attempted it (cause i have played winning poker for a hundred years at 100-200 level, but now i don't have a bankroll and need backing), others have had better luck. good luck. |
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bankrobber42:
I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the regular posters on these forums for their sarcasm. The truth is, Party's random number generator is not perfectly random. The 4th and 5th street cards can be predicted with about 85% accuracy. To make these predictions, you will need what is called a "pattern map." I won't bore you with the details, but a pattern map uses a complex formula using the flop and your hole cards, to determine the 4th and 5th street cards, based on a record of hundreds of thousands of hands. All regular posters on 2+2 have pattern maps. They are needed if you wish to become a long term winner on Party. If you're interested in getting a pattern map, you can PM me to negotiate a price (the normal price is in the low six figures). Or, you can write a 1000 word essay explaining why you deserve a pattern map for free. Thank You, Eric |
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