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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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Not that poor a move by Gigabet. He made a play at the pot w/ a $9k bet, called the raise. I'm sure if the flop missed he would've been out of the hand. Don't think he thought it was a coinflip when all the $$ went in. Probably thought 2 pr was more than good.

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You are sure if the flop missed he would be out of the hand. Have you ever played Gigabet? How much do you know about him?

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Not that poor a move by Gigabet. He made a play at the pot w/ a $9k bet, called the raise. I'm sure if the flop missed he would've been out of the hand. Don't think he thought it was a coinflip when all the $$ went in. Probably thought 2 pr was more than good.

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You are sure if the flop missed he would be out of the hand. Have you ever played Gigabet? How much do you know about him?

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I heard he's one of those nut peddlers

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Not that poor a move by Gigabet. He made a play at the pot w/ a $9k bet, called the raise. I'm sure if the flop missed he would've been out of the hand. Don't think he thought it was a coinflip when all the $$ went in. Probably thought 2 pr was more than good.

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You are sure if the flop missed he would be out of the hand. Have you ever played Gigabet? How much do you know about him?

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Ohhhh, oh, oh, oh, ohhh.
It must have been cold there in my shadow,
to never have sunlight on your face.
You were content to let me shine, that's your way.
You always walked a step behind.





So I was the one with all the glory,
while you were the one with all the strain.
A beautiful face without a name for so long.
A beautiful smile to hide the pain.





Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.


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Yes we know he's good, relax.

Mack

Re: GIGABET.
 

All,

From Gutshot:

With 410,000 in the pot, Patrik Antonius leads out for 200,000

The board comes JhQh 5d6d 9s

Joe Cassidy thought for an age, then called.

Antonuis shows for Ah3d Ace high.

Joe shows As7d for another ace high. But his seven kicker gives him the pot.

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Very different than the CP account, no idea which is accurate.

Re: GIGABET.
 

All,

Gigabet apparently went from 1.3M to 300k on the very last hand of the day. But no account of what the hand was! WHAT AWESOME COVERAGE.

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Gigabet apparently went from 1.3M to 300k on the very last hand of the day. But no account of what the hand was! WHAT AWESOME COVERAGE.

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Pokerwire's got it. According to them, he bluffed it off with AQ-high into kings full.

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Darrell Dicken raised to 40k from the cutoff, Joanne 'J. J.' Liu raised to 120k, and Dicken called. The flop came K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Dicken checked, Liu bet 80k, and Dicken called. The turn came the 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Dicken bet 200k, and Liu called. The river came the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Dicken pushed in, and Liu called all in for 591k. Darrell Dicken showed AQ for a pair of sixes with an ace kicker. Liu showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for kings full of sixes to double up.

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Re: GIGABET.
 

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Joanne 'J.J.' Liu doubles through Darrell Dicken
Darrell Dicken raised to 40k from the cutoff, Joanne 'J. J.' Liu raised to 120k, and Dicken called. The flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ,Dicken checked, Liu bet 80k, and Dicken called. The turn came the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],Dicken bet 200k, and Liu called. The river came the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Dicken pushed in, and Liu called all in for 591k. Darrell Dicken showed [A][Q] for a pair of sixes with an ace kicker. Liu showed K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for kings full of sixes to double up.

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I type to slow....
And it is the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: GIGABET.
 

I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Joe Cassidy just called a 200K raise from Antonius after leading 120K with A7 high on a 965QJ board and his hand was good. I am speechless.

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You also don't hear about how many times this call is made and is wrong. We only hear about the winners like this one and Grazc made on Shaniac.

Oh, and # of major tournaments won by Johnnyj580: 0

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Is this a typo? Was it KK6 or K66?

Either way, GL tomorrow Darrell. I hope you take it down.

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The remaining field has the potential to make a great final table.

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Is this a typo? Was it KK6 or K66?

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Definitely K66, per his Cardplayer video interview. Running the same three-street bluff with the board pairing kings would be insane.

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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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Can this really be right??? I've heard/read of plenty of instances where the action and/or chip amounts has been screwed up heartily by cardplayer and other updates. Joe Cassidy has usually struck me as a pretty bright, good player in the few times I've seen him, and this is pretty inexplicable. My inclination is to say that something is inaccurate here.

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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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He was getting 2.2-1 pot odds, his cards were suited and likely live. If he folds in that situation, people won't know he had 72 and will think he is weak/tight and play back at him. Very easy call.

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Looks like folding KK face up paid big dividends.

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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He was getting 2.2-1 pot odds, his cards were suited and likely live. If he folds in that situation, people won't know he had 72 and will think he is weak/tight and play back at him. Very easy call.

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Very easy? 2.2-1 is not enough against a reasonable range of shoving hands here. It is close enough that the metagame probably justifies it, but I think you guys throw around phrases like "very easy call" a little too much.

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Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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I hate how people always say a bet is wrong because it can only be called by a better hand. IT'S CALLED A BLUFF. Sure if he gets called he's behind, but the point is he's hoping to not get called.

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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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He was getting 2.2-1 pot odds, his cards were suited and likely live. If he folds in that situation, people won't know he had 72 and will think he is weak/tight and play back at him. Very easy call.

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Very easy? 2.2-1 is not enough against a reasonable range of shoving hands here. It is close enough that the metagame probably justifies it, but I think you guys throw around phrases like "very easy call" a little too much.

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This is button versus blinds. AKo is 1.6-1 against 72s. Obviously 72o is in worse shape against a pp. However, villain probably doesn't have a big hand. The KJo he had was typical.

I am pretty sure 72s is better than 2.2-1 against villain's range, but even if it wasn't, this would still be an easy call. 72s is a good restealing hand, but I am sure part of purpose of playing it to begin with was psychological.

Who is GIGABET?
 

Sorry for my naivety, but who is this GIGABET person?

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Sorry for my naivety, but who is this GIGABET person?

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An aggressive player who was formerly the terror of the $200 Party SNGs, but is now on to bigger and better things.

I thought everyone knew who Gigabet is, but who is this Brunson guy who seems to be making a run at the tournament?

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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he probably thought AJ would pay him off.

Re: GIGABET.
 

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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he probably thought AJ would pay him off.

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Because Gigabet is a fish. I read in some book that you are supposed to check/fold AK if you don't make a pair. I would assume the same applies to AQ. It is important to always fold if you might be behind.

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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he probably thought AJ would pay him off.

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You really see JJ Liu, a solid player, calling on the turn, and then calling all her chips on the river with Ace high?

From the way the hand played out, it seemed like Gigabet was trying to represent at least AK if not KK, but Liu obviously wasn't scared of the flop. If she was trying to make a play withi AJ, I don't see her simply calling on the turn.

The only way I see Gigabet making this play is if he felt he had a very LAG table image, and that JJ saw this as well. Perhaps he thought that if he moved all in on the river, it would suggest he had to have a big hand, and would make any smaller PP fold. But after seeing JJ bet on the flop, and then call on the turn, I don't see how he could imagine her folding when the 2 came on the river.

Re: GIGABET.
 

It's a joke, she's never going to call with AJ. Given the preflop and postflop action, and the fact that she sounds pretty tight (folding a monster overpair to habitual bluffer Laak, in what smells like a bluff from here), gigabet probably put her on exactly AA-JJ and was trying to push her off. He probably ran some NASA simulation in his head and determined that the odds of her having KK were low enough that it was a +eV play.

Still, with all due deference, seems a little hard to defend that final river push, and I don't notice a lot of people here trying. Seems like *maybe* one of those caught-up-in-the-moment and/or getting *too far* off your normal game trying to capitalize on a perceived weakness in an opponent - situations that happens to even the great ones.

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Glynn Beebe raises to $36,000 from the cutoff position, Joe Cassidy reraises to $136,000, and Beebe moves all in for $391,000. Joe Cassidy calls, and Beebe shows Ks-Jd. But Cassidy shows -- the Hammer! 7h-2h! Beebe is a favorite to double up here. The flop comes Qc-5c-5s, and Beebe is still in the lead with king high. But the 7d falls on the turn, giving Cassidy the lead with a pair of sevens. Beebe needs a jack or a king to stay alive, but the river card is the 2d.

Glynn Beebe is in shock as he is eliminated in 32nd place -- by seven-deuce. Joe Cassidy now has a huge lead with $1.85 million in chips.

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Cassidy has 2 mil in chips, and he just called 200K with A-high and called a 260K all-in reraise with 72. I think it's safe to say nobody is going to be playing back at him without a hand.

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He was getting 2.2-1 pot odds, his cards were suited and likely live. If he folds in that situation, people won't know he had 72 and will think he is weak/tight and play back at him. Very easy call.

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Very easy? 2.2-1 is not enough against a reasonable range of shoving hands here. It is close enough that the metagame probably justifies it, but I think you guys throw around phrases like "very easy call" a little too much.

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This is button versus blinds. AKo is 1.6-1 against 72s. Obviously 72o is in worse shape against a pp. However, villain probably doesn't have a big hand. The KJo he had was typical.

I am pretty sure 72s is better than 2.2-1 against villain's range, but even if it wasn't, this would still be an easy call. 72s is a good restealing hand, but I am sure part of purpose of playing it to begin with was psychological.

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I can't remember the range I gave him when even when I was playing with this earlier, but even when I gave him a huge range (any pair, any 2 broadway, any suited ace, etc.) the call was still only marginally profitable. My point is, and not to personally go after you, is that too many posters say calls are "very easy" or "standard" all the time when in fact its a very close decision.

I mean, if this is a very easy call, how much would CO have to push in for it to be a marginal call?

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Still, with all due deference, seems a little hard to defend that final river push, and I don't notice a lot of people here trying. Seems like maybe one of those "caught-up-in-the-moment" situations that happens to even the great ones.

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Don't worry, the STT forum will be here soon to slobber all over anything gigabet does.

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Just curious, when she called your 200k bet on the turn, did you get the impression at all that you were beat? Why did you move all in on the river, since you know you could only be called by a better hand?

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he probably thought AJ would pay him off.

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You really see JJ Liu, a solid player, calling on the turn, and then calling all her chips on the river with Ace high?

From the way the hand played out, it seemed like Gigabet was trying to represent at least AK if not KK, but Liu obviously wasn't scared of the flop. If she was trying to make a play withi AJ, I don't see her simply calling on the turn.

The only way I see Gigabet making this play is if he felt he had a very LAG table image, and that JJ saw this as well. Perhaps he thought that if he moved all in on the river, it would suggest he had to have a big hand, and would make any smaller PP fold. But after seeing JJ bet on the flop, and then call on the turn, I don't see how he could imagine her folding when the 2 came on the river.

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Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands.

Gigabet is a LAG and could have anything, but it seems unlikely he would flat call are reraise with a king. If he had QQ-AA or AK he probably would have made a 3rd raise preflop.

This is a classic case of trapping a LAG. I don't want to be accused of stereotyping, but women and particularly oriental women tend to be good at appearing passive and luring someone in to a trap.

Of course this kind of aggressive play looks bad when it doesn't work, but it often works.

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I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.

Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up.

Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line."

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Looks like folding KK face up paid big dividends.

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I was thinking the same thing... nice hand!

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Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands.

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Gigabet thought she would lay down anything except KK and 66, due to her previous laydown of KK vs. a T66 board. AK, AA, QQ...all folds.

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Obviously, Gigabet saw one high card on the board and figured this is a good board to bluff at. If she didn't have AK, KK, AA, or QQ, she might not have been able to call. The problem is that when a solid player reraises preflop, she is likely to have one of those hands.

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Gigabet thought she would lay down anything except KK and 66, due to her previous laydown of KK vs. a T66 board. AK, AA, QQ...all folds.

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I suppose she has such a big stack so late in this tough a tournament because other people weretrying tobluff heroff the nuts.

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I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK.

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Question for Darrell-

Did your cards have any relevance in your decision to call the preflop raise, or would you have called with any two with the intention of running that bluff on a perceived favorable flop?

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I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK.

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I think the villain also has to have 6x in the back of her mind.

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I agree that that would have been an awfully strange line for J.J. to have aces there, if she had the intention of folding on the river to a big bet if a blank hit. Seems like she'd have folded or raised the turn unless it was her intent to call down. I can certainly see how Giga's line folds KQ, KJ, and QQ though. Not sure about AK.

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Seems unlikely she would reraise with KQ or KJ. Plus it is unlikely that Gigabet would flat call with AK, KK or AA. So it would seem hard to fold a K on this board.

The aggression might get her to fold TT-QQ. However, despite the fact that Gigabet says he hasn't been caught bluffing, I am sure she is aware of his reputation.

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I think the villain also has to have 6x in the back of her mind.

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No doubt, but wouldn't it still make sense that the turn would be decision time? She has to know that Giga is sophisticated enough to run a two-street bluff there. Seems to me that if she called the turn, then folded the river with AA, her thought process would've been along the lines of "Eh, I'll call here because my hand is pretty. There's no way he'll bet into me twice without the goods." While possible I guess, that seems to be a pretty rudimentary way to play the hand, and unlikely at this stage of the tournament.

Having said that, I think it was a well-run bluff, and Giga simply got unlucky that J.J. had the hand that she did. All I was saying is that I might add AA and 6X (which is very unlikely given the preflop action), into the range of hands that he's getting caught with.

Who am I to question Giga's read though - he certainly has a better grasp on that situation (and tournament play in general) than I likely ever will.

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Gigabet himself gets pretty detailed about this hand over on STTF. Makes me feel pretty sheepish about my little comment on this board.

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nevermind

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All,

It appears there is a thread discussing this hand in every forum. WTF?