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Ed Miller's short stack strategy

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forgive the noob question but where can I read this...search hates me google does too

Straight Flushes,

SAM

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Getting Started in Hold 'em by Ed Miller.
Link

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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I agree that there is no relevance between post count and skill level. I believe that I can succeed, despite my short roll, and I believe that I am playing at the correct level- I am used to 25NL.

In no way is this a bad beat story, merely a pathway for advice on both building a short roll and handling the variance of online poker. What may be a standard day for you (sometimes +/- 4 buyins) is highly uncommon for me, a newbie at internet poker in general.

Do you think limit is the way to go? I have never played limit in my life, and I really didn't plan on learning a new game. The differences are immense, and don't you think this would hurt my NL game/remaining bankroll instead of helping it?

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No, don't play limit you dingaling. You are a NL player. Play NL. You are so shortrolled now, you have to be very lucky to build a roll from your current amount. You have $500 you are able to put online, so if you lose what you currently have online, it's not the end of the world. Just play for now. Don't worry about the money. Just try to make the best decision each time, each hand, each decision.

And don't worry about Pokertracker. Too many people rely on that around here. I've been a consistent winner this entire year without it as my site doesn't support PT. I'll be using it now with PP, but I'm glad I became a decent player without it first, as I can read other players and don't need numbers to do so.

And if you want I'll look at a HH. PM me.

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Yeah, ajmargarine has the right idea. PT is NOT crucial to playing effectively. Basically I've just been using it for table selection, and to judge when I should CB.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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Here is a great example of why the length of time a person has been registered at 2+2, is not a good indicator of how good a poster they are.

Orange, you may not have experienced the downside of variance yet, but you know it exists. When you're appropriately rolled for your game, it sucks. When you're underrolled, it can be devastating. This is the chance you take playing with 11 buy-ins.

Since you can't deposit more cash at the moment your options aren't real appealing, but here they are:

1- don't play until you can get your finances in order. This really won't kill you.

2-Keep playing, but learn to ignore the amount you win/lose each session and focus on playing good poker (which you know how to do). This is something you need to learn anyway, it's just easier when your roll is bigger. Disregard people's comments about needing PT. It's a tool for multitablers, and with you playing 2 it's only marginally helpful. If you take this route, even if you've dropped down to 10NL (which you should if it's possible), be prepared for the possibility you can play great poker and still lose the rest of your roll.

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I'd also recommend NOT buying in small. You have a significant skill edge in the 10NL and 25NL games, don't negate it by dumbing the game down. It's not the end of the world if you dump the rest of your roll.

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Take a serious break and re-examine your game. Learning limit is NOT A BAD THING. Poker theory from your NL game can help you with limit and for what it's worth, switching between the two has helped me a lot when trying to figure out my own play. NL isn't for everyone.

Also, don't lie to your parents or your friends about playing; be honest and explain yourself. If you get caught playing and depositing money after you've already been told no, you'll be in deep [censored] anyway and it will hurt your relationship with your parents

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If you're on a short roll I'd try playing the .50/1.00 party poker limit games, especially the 6-max. Wait for some good cards and just jam on the bet/raise button. Almost any "2+2 approved" starting hand is +EV against most of the fish in these games.

Ok its a little more complex than that, but you get the idea. Players are HORRRRIBLE and IMO limit is a good way to practice postflop skills without losing a lot of money in the process. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Plus you only need about a $300 br to withstand the swings if you are a decent player.

FWIW I'm still a noob myself so take this advice with a grain of salt.

Steve

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Go away.

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just buy in for 15 or 20 instead of the full 25, and play weak-tight til you add $200 or so to your roll. then you can play your normal game again. this will probably cut your winrate in half, but its almost impossible to have a huge downswing with this style. i do this every time i need to spend a lot of money and my roll gets short.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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You must feel really good being a 2/4 limit player on a $1200 bankroll!!! It must feel good being the authority on bankroll management. Go back to calculating pot equity fish.

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Chill. I've read your posts and you've got an idea of what's going on. This means that your miles ahead of the vast majority of the NL25 players. Don't buy in short, you're too good for that. I say you take a break for a couple days, then just ride out this 100 dollar wave. The only problem is if you're playing differently now than you were when you ran that 20 to 440. That's bad. Variance is a bitch but you gotta take it in the gut and ride on.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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You must feel really good being a 2/4 limit player on a $1200 bankroll!!! It must feel good being the authority on bankroll management. Go back to calculating pot equity fish.

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Yikes.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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You must feel really good being a 2/4 limit player on a $1200 bankroll!!! It must feel good being the authority on bankroll management. Go back to calculating pot equity fish.

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Yikes.

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Send those limit players packing, this is NL territory!!

Seriously he was not griping about anything, just explaining the situation.

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Here is a great example of why the number of posts someone has, is not a good indicator of how good a player they are.

Playing with a very limited bankroll and playing above his limits. Very very bad.

Take what's left of your bankroll and play .25-50 or .50-$1 until you have 300BB, then move up a level. Stay away from the NL until you have your bankroll in order.

Please do not post any more bad beat griping stories until you are playing 2-4 with at least a $1200 bankroll.

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You must feel really good being a 2/4 limit player on a $1200 bankroll!!! It must feel good being the authority on bankroll management. Go back to calculating pot equity fish.

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Yikes.

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Send those limit players packing, this is NL territory!!

Seriously he was not griping about anything, just explaining the situation.

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You mean I shouldn't be playing NL $400 with a $1,200 bankroll? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You must feel really good being a 2/4 limit player on a $1200 bankroll!!! It must feel good being the authority on bankroll management

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I did not mention in my original post how much I have in my poker bankroll. How much I have is nobody's business. I will tell you that I am comfortably funded for the level of games that I play.

The main thing is that I am tired of posters complaining they are running bad and then finding out they are playing with a bankroll of 10 buyins.

Playing short causes all kinds of problems. Playing timid, buying in short, unnecessary ulcers. If there was ever a game invented that punished timid play, it's no limit hold'em.

So Isura take a chill pill. I am right, you know I am right, and I think a direct, no bs response to Orange's post was the best way to get through to him.

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I've read through the thread and I really don't understand all your "if my parents let me" crap. I assume you have super-controlling parents who monitor your life and finances. If you're in college, you're probably at least 18, which is old enough to open an account without anyone's permission. More importantly, if you want to play poker without them finding out, you're old enough to open a bank account by yourself. Just deposit the $100 or whatever the bank wants, verify with neteller, and you're good to go. If your parents take every paycheck and every gift from relatives to put in "your" account, there should be plenty of odd jobs and experiments to do around campus to get a little cash.
If you have to use your parents' computer just play when they aren't there/asleep and delete party poker when you're done. They obviously don't investigate your internet practices too thoroughly because you have 1000+ posts here.
Another thing is that at some point, you're going to have to tell your parents in no uncertain terms to go to hell and mind their own business. I'm not saying you should do this over poker, but at some point they're going to have to realize that you're not a bonsai tree whose growth and development is determined years in advance and then forcibly shaped to meet this image. Assuming they're paying for most of college, I would wait until I'm almost done to do this. If you don't, they're going to try to micromanage your life for decades to come.

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I've read through the thread and I really don't understand all your "if my parents let me" crap. I assume you have super-controlling parents who monitor your life and finances. If you're in college, you're probably at least 18, which is old enough to open an account without anyone's permission. More importantly, if you want to play poker without them finding out, you're old enough to open a bank account by yourself. Just deposit the $100 or whatever the bank wants, verify with neteller, and you're good to go. If your parents take every paycheck and every gift from relatives to put in "your" account, there should be plenty of odd jobs and experiments to do around campus to get a little cash.
If you have to use your parents' computer just play when they aren't there/asleep and delete party poker when you're done. They obviously don't investigate your internet practices too thoroughly because you have 1000+ posts here.
Another thing is that at some point, you're going to have to tell your parents in no uncertain terms to go to hell and mind their own business. I'm not saying you should do this over poker, but at some point they're going to have to realize that you're not a bonsai tree whose growth and development is determined years in advance and then forcibly shaped to meet this image. Assuming they're paying for most of college, I would wait until I'm almost done to do this. If you don't, they're going to try to micromanage your life for decades to come.

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My mother, though a lovely woman, believes poker is not a morally just " " way to make money. Even though I played it thorougly through the summer, she never really thought of it as a way to make money, merely an activity.

Yes, I am 18, soon to be 19. I have not yet talked to my parents about depositing yet, but plan to this winter vacation.

Your advice on telling my parents to [censored] off, well, I don't know if that would be such a good idea at the moment. True, I could easily set up my own poker account/netteller account right away. I could have done that a year ago. But without my parent's consent, I think my education payment could get in the way, which, in my opinion, is more important than poker.

I will present my thoughts to them this break. "It's my money, my decision, my life, etc". And to be honest, if they give me a plausible reason to NOT deposit, and perhaps the results thereof, I probobly won't. I do agree that one day, I will have to put my foot down and tell them to back off. But over poker, and over my education, I don't think is a good idea.

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Orange,

Nice to see someone under 21 who has his head on straight. Don't let the haters bother you. If mom and dad are paying for college, I think giving their opinions the respect they deserve is appropriate.

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Orange,

Nice to see someone under 21 who has his head on straight. Don't let the haters bother you. If mom and dad are paying for college, I think giving their opinions the respect they deserve is appropriate.

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I think my dad would seriously get pissed if I just snuck behind his back and started setting up my own stuff, taking $500 out of my bank, etc. He's paying for a third of my college, which is a pretty big sum.

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So Isura take a chill pill. I am right, you know I am right

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your advice to a person playing 25NL underrolled was to switch to limit. You also called him a bad player, when he's just practicing bad bankroll management. If that was right, i'd hate to see a post where you're wrong.

Orange - after thinking about it, i think you need to reconsider this sequence of events:

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2 weeks ago, found $20 back in his account

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Help, I'm getting raped online... I'm down to my last $100

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Yes, I suppose I'm freerolling here. It still feels dirty when I'm losing it though. I suppose this is the best way to learn BR management/online variance.

I know many of you can lose 4-buyins without much hurt- its just another day for you. I'm just not used to it I guess.

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I agree with 42 it. You are making the correct choice by asking your parents. A college education is so much more important than a Party Poker account.

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Yes, I suppose I'm freerolling here. It still feels dirty when I'm losing it though. I suppose this is the best way to learn BR management/online variance.

I know many of you can lose 4-buyins without much hurt- its just another day for you. I'm just not used to it I guess.

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Not it's not, the best way to learn BR management.
Read "Gambling Theory and other Topics" By Mason Malmuth.

If you can't afford the book keep posting and asking questions.
Although some forum members flame whenever someone asks a BR question eventually you get a good answer.

(Note: As I've said before I took as shot a 600NL with a short bankroll and got hit with the deck and quadrupled my bankroll in a couple of days. I admit I didn't practice what most people would consider good money management.)

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This is how you do it:

As soon as you open up a table put it in the middle of the screen somewhere. Open one "empty note" for each player (you know the ones you get by right-clicking) decided that within 30 minutes none of these notes should be empty. Start filling in the notes with whatever crap you see. Like "bets draws" "steal raises with crap with many limper" etc. This is not so much for actually use these reads in the future as it is about focusing on the game.