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I've gotten out of several well-deserved tickets just by being a nice guy (someones gonna FYP this one, I'm sure) and bantering pleasantly with the cop. They are so used to nits like you that they cut me some slack for being a nice guy.

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Being nice to get out of a traffic ticket is +EV. Letting a cop violate your rights while you're out walking late at night is -EV.

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Hey guys, I dig your little experiment.

In the US this encounter is known as a stop. Law Enforcement can stop you based on reasonable suspicion and detain you to breifly question you.


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It's actually called a Terry Stop (From Terry v. Ohio) Any reasonable suspicion and the officer can stop you, question you, detain you, and if he feels he/she is in danger, frisk search. Not a full search but just a quick check for weapons.

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What constitutes a 'reasonable suspicion' is what is important. Walking back from Tim Horton's with coffee cups in your hand at 2am should not be deemed as being suspicious. Claiming 'Reasonable suspicion' does not give the cops carte blanche to violate your rights. At the very least, the cops would have to let you know what they 'reasonably suspect' that you are doing which allows them to search you.

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Was it the OPP that stopped you? Which city are you in?

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

Re: Just got pulled over while walking
 

Sorry, from the OP I thought you hadn't gotten the number because the cop had covered his badge number with his finger and/or you didn't have paper to write the number down on. Having his badge number will help you out immensely.

Here's the link to the thread you asked for:

So I got arrested...

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Yea ive been "pulled over" while walking/running too. Its very odd. Apparently one time this guy saw me walking on the sidewalk and i was a little to close to his car, so of course i stole his radio. He called the cops and I was let go when the cop who I talked to is a good friend of my gf at the time (my gf's entire family including her works in local law enforcement) it was kinda funny..it helps to not look like a punk too.

Its also fun driving with her, she goes 20 over the limit at all times because she knows she wont get a ticket. +EV.

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

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I think they're permitted on any 400 series highway, and anywhere that isn't already serviced by a police force. They used to police my area (Kanata), but when we became part of Ottawa the Ottawa Police took over local policing. However, the OPP still patrols the 417 and 416 in Ottawa.

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Was it the OPP that stopped you? Which city are you in?

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

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Whitby being a municipality, I don't think we have a local police force. I'm pretty sure we have an OPP station right in town, too. But don't quote me on that (I've EARNED the nickname Capt Oblivious). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Was it the OPP that stopped you? Which city are you in?

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

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Whitby being a municipality, I don't think we have a local police force. I'm pretty sure we have an OPP station right in town, too. But don't quote me on that (I've EARNED the nickname Capt Oblivious). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The OPP probably does the policing in your area, then. The OPP gets the dimmest bulbs -- these are the guys who couldn't get in with local police forces, and couldn't get in with the RCMP.

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I have enormous respect for anybody who knows their rights and applies them. It's amazing how many people would fold to that cop. Cheers!

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Was it the OPP that stopped you? Which city are you in?

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

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Whitby being a municipality, I don't think we have a local police force. I'm pretty sure we have an OPP station right in town, too. But don't quote me on that (I've EARNED the nickname Capt Oblivious). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Looks like you do have a local force.

http://www.police.durham.on.ca

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(I've EARNED the nickname Capt Oblivious).

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Your title says Supreme Nit.
Knowing your rights +EV
This play -EV

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how about being gratefuull for having police not scared to look into something that you admit is unusual...

think about it..

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lmao.

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Was it the OPP that stopped you? Which city are you in?

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I think it was the OPP. I'm not sure.

Why do you ask?

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I was under the impression that the OPP cannot stop you on municipal roads. Only on provencial roads/highways or in towns where there is no municipal police force can they stop you, but I may be wrong.

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Whitby being a municipality, I don't think we have a local police force. I'm pretty sure we have an OPP station right in town, too. But don't quote me on that (I've EARNED the nickname Capt Oblivious). [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Looks like you do have a local force.

http://www.police.durham.on.ca

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Yep. Now that I think of it, you're right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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you are a dick.

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you are a dick.

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Ummm, before you go ahead and join the police, you might want to consider that it is a citizens freedom in this country not to have to divulge personal information without charge. We are required by law to provide our name and address. We are not required to tell a police officer on a random stop why we are up at this hour, what we're doing, where we are going, where we are coming from, what our jobs are, etc.

I happen to think it's worth standing up for those rights once in a while. In the past when we have been fully cooperative and answered all these questions, the officers didn't believe us. "Just walking at 3am eh?" and they keep hammering, and called in our names regardless.

Understand it isn't like we are being asked with a pretty please and a cherry on top. It is an interrogation, without the least bit of courtesy or appreciation.

We also were being perfectly polite. Which is to say more than the officer was doing from the start.

I suspect this sort of crap happens to us because police aren't used to coming across young guys out walking at 3am who aren't causing trouble. But honestly, we don't need to be assumed guilty and harrased every time we're out, and if we choose not to give our autobiography, I don't think we need to be called dicks either.

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I happen to think it's worth standing up for those rights once in a while

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This is not one of those onces in a while. I am rooting for your house to get robbed in the near future by someone who was "out walking" at 4 am.

I believe the police work hard and do their best to "protect and serve". If they want to feel a little godly, I don't have any objections to letting them have that, as long as they show up if I need help.

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you are a dick.

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Ummm, before you go ahead and join the police, you might want to consider that it is a citizens freedom in this country not to have to divulge personal information without charge. We are required by law to provide our name and address. We are not required to tell a police officer on a random stop why we are up at this hour, what we're doing, where we are going, where we are coming from, what our jobs are, etc.

I happen to think it's worth standing up for those rights once in a while. In the past when we have been fully cooperative and answered all these questions, the officers didn't believe us. "Just walking at 3am eh?" and they keep hammering, and called in our names regardless.

Understand it isn't like we are being asked with a pretty please and a cherry on top. It is an interrogation, without the least bit of courtesy or appreciation.

We also were being perfectly polite. Which is to say more than the officer was doing from the start.

I suspect this sort of crap happens to us because police aren't used to coming across young guys out walking at 3am who aren't causing trouble. But honestly, we don't need to be assumed guilty and harrased every time we're out, and if we choose not to give our autobiography, I don't think we need to be called dicks either.

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In the US, I am well within my rights as a citizen to walk down the streets and call people by any vile epithet I want. Just because I am well within my rights does not mean I am not acting like a dick. The police acted reasonably in stopping you. You two decided to respond with "no comment." The officer then got upset and hurt your feelings by calling you a dick. You then posted the story here to show how you stood up to "the man." I'm not impressed with your story or your actions. Since you two acted like dicks people here on OOT are right to call you dicks. If you want sympathy, tell this story to your mom. She might care.

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I've gotten out of several well-deserved tickets just by being a nice guy (someones gonna FYP this one, I'm sure) and bantering pleasantly with the cop. They are so used to nits like you that they cut me some slack for being a nice guy.

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Being nice to get out of a traffic ticket is +EV. Letting a cop violate your rights while you're out walking late at night is -EV.

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What rights are being violated? It's unusual for two guys to be about at that time, and, since the OP is not walking around with a scanner, he has no idea what may have transpired that night, such that a police officer would have reason to stop and ask him a few questions. He did nothing wrong, so why make a big stink about it? He wasn't being harassed, just answer the questions and be on your way.

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Hey guys, I dig your little experiment.

In the US this encounter is known as a stop. Law Enforcement can stop you based on reasonable suspicion and detain you to breifly question you.


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It's actually called a Terry Stop (From Terry v. Ohio) Any reasonable suspicion and the officer can stop you, question you, detain you, and if he feels he/she is in danger, frisk search. Not a full search but just a quick check for weapons.

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What constitutes a 'reasonable suspicion' is what is important. Walking back from Tim Horton's with coffee cups in your hand at 2am should not be deemed as being suspicious. Claiming 'Reasonable suspicion' does not give the cops carte blanche to violate your rights. At the very least, the cops would have to let you know what they 'reasonably suspect' that you are doing which allows them to search you.

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If the OP was arrested, the cops would have to demonstrate they had "reasonable suspicion" or the charges would be dropped. My wife has won a number of cases with this argument.

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You don't know me.

I don't think the police were wrong to stop us. I think they were wrong to hold us under duress after we had given them our information just to insult us and be confrontational.

FYI, most police officers would agree.

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You don't know me.

I don't think the police were wrong to stop us. I think they were wrong to hold us under duress after we had given them our information just to insult us and be confrontational.

FYI, most police officers would agree.

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If you would have simply said you were going for a walk and given your info instead of creating suspicion with your "no comment" stance the entire situation would have been avoided.

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Sounds to me like you got pretty lucky. Especially that kid where his possession charge was dropped. All the cop had to do in that case was put on the arrest report that he smelled weed on the kid, thus giving him reason to search.

The cop seemed like a dick, but it could have been much worse.

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This was in Whitby.

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ok it all makes sense now.

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awesome work.

i have nothing against police officers, but i enjoy it when someone reminds them who they actually work for.

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I've gotten out of several well-deserved tickets just by being a nice guy (someones gonna FYP this one, I'm sure) and bantering pleasantly with the cop. They are so used to nits like you that they cut me some slack for being a nice guy.

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Being nice to get out of a traffic ticket is +EV. Letting a cop violate your rights while you're out walking late at night is -EV.

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What rights are being violated? It's unusual for two guys to be about at that time, and, since the OP is not walking around with a scanner, he has no idea what may have transpired that night, such that a police officer would have reason to stop and ask him a few questions. He did nothing wrong, so why make a big stink about it? He wasn't being harassed, just answer the questions and be on your way.

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Tell you what...at random intervals the police will show up at your door and search your home. Maybe a lot of the homes in your neighbourhood are being used to grow marijuana, so the police are suspicious that you might be doing the same. Since you haven't done anything wrong, you'll have nothing to worry about. If you complain about it, you'll be called a dick and intimidated and they'll go ahead and search your home anyway.

On top of that, you'll be stopped by the police every so often as you drive home from work and forced to answer a series of questions as to where you're going, where you've been, etc... and you better answer the questions, or you will be detained until the police can ascertain that you're not up to no good. Since you have nothing to hide, you should be okay with the police doing this.

You're now going to point out that the OP was out after midnight, so he somehow deserved to be harassed and detained -- and yes, he was detained, because when he asked if he could leave the police told him he couldn't. The police also did their best to intimidate them into giving up their rights.

Personally, I don't see any difference between having your rights violated at 4am and your rights being violated at 4pm. That's just my opinion...I prefer to live in a free society. It's not for everyone, though.

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You don't know me.

I don't think the police were wrong to stop us. I think they were wrong to hold us under duress after we had given them our information just to insult us and be confrontational.

FYI, most police officers would agree.

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If you would have simply said you were going for a walk and given your info instead of creating suspicion with your "no comment" stance the entire situation would have been avoided.

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Actually, what would be even better is if we were forced to call the police first and get permission to leave our homes. It would save a lot of time, plus we'd all know that anyone who was outside without permission would be up to no good. Yup, I think you're on to something. The police *should* be allowed to decide who is and isn't allowed outside.

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You don't know me.

I don't think the police were wrong to stop us. I think they were wrong to hold us under duress after we had given them our information just to insult us and be confrontational.

FYI, most police officers would agree.

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You're wrong. Without any suspicion that you had committed a crime, they were totally wrong to stop you in the first place. You should be allowed to walk outside without being stopped and interrogated.

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He wasn't being harassed, just answer the questions and be on your way.

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The cop stopped them for no reason, repeatedly called them dicks, and told them they couldn't leave.. how is that not harassment?


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Without any suspicion that you had committed a crime, they were totally wrong to stop you in the first place. You should be allowed to walk outside without being stopped and interrogated.

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This sums it all up.

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So you spent 20+ minutes your way, when you'd likely have only spent 5 minutes and have been on your way. But I'm sure he'll be at home in a fetal position under his bed thinking about his run-in with 'Joe-I know my rights'.

Is this really a worthy battle to fight? No. It's equivalent of spending $500 to fight a $5 parking ticket.

I've been stopped plenty of times for crap. Big deal. You think you really made a difference with this cop? Doubt it. Report him? Yeah, that's good. Another waste of time and energy as nothing will likely come of it. If you do, let's up that cost to $600 dollars fighting that parking ticket.

When you really get some major crap under your belt that happens in your life, you'll see just how really menial and petty this whole confrontation was.

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So you spent 20+ minutes your way, when you'd likely have only spent 5 minutes and have been on your way....
Is this really a worthy battle to fight? No. It's equivalent of spending $500 to fight a $5 parking ticket

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It's princiPALITY, Smokey!

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So you spent 20+ minutes your way, when you'd likely have only spent 5 minutes and have been on your way....
Is this really a worthy battle to fight? No. It's equivalent of spending $500 to fight a $5 parking ticket

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It's princiPALITY, Smokey!

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It's a waste of time.

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So you spent 20+ minutes your way, when you'd likely have only spent 5 minutes and have been on your way....
Is this really a worthy battle to fight? No. It's equivalent of spending $500 to fight a $5 parking ticket

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It's princiPALITY, Smokey!

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It's a waste of time.

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It took a while, but not much longer than a standard interview (at least, not much longer than an interview in which they take and process your ID).

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Geesh.


Cops pulling random people over deserve any flak they get and then some. They should be doing their job and not hoping to get lucky while abusing law abiding citizens.

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Geesh.


Cops pulling random people over deserve any flak they get and then some. They should be doing their job and not hoping to get lucky while abusing law abiding citizens.

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Bingo. It's amazing how quickly people on here are willing to give up their rights. And then they condemn those of us who actually value our rights and stand up for ourselves rather than acting like sheep.

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you are a dick.

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Ummm, before you go ahead and join the police, you might want to consider that it is a citizens freedom in this country not to have to divulge personal information without charge. We are required by law to provide our name and address. We are not required to tell a police officer on a random stop why we are up at this hour, what we're doing, where we are going, where we are coming from, what our jobs are, etc.

I happen to think it's worth standing up for those rights once in a while. In the past when we have been fully cooperative and answered all these questions, the officers didn't believe us. "Just walking at 3am eh?" and they keep hammering, and called in our names regardless.

Understand it isn't like we are being asked with a pretty please and a cherry on top. It is an interrogation, without the least bit of courtesy or appreciation.

We also were being perfectly polite. Which is to say more than the officer was doing from the start.

I suspect this sort of crap happens to us because police aren't used to coming across young guys out walking at 3am who aren't causing trouble. But honestly, we don't need to be assumed guilty and harrased every time we're out, and if we choose not to give our autobiography, I don't think we need to be called dicks either.

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In the US, I am well within my rights as a citizen to walk down the streets and call people by any vile epithet I want. Just because I am well within my rights does not mean I am not acting like a dick. The police acted reasonably in stopping you. You two decided to respond with "no comment." The officer then got upset and hurt your feelings by calling you a dick. You then posted the story here to show how you stood up to "the man." I'm not impressed with your story or your actions. Since you two acted like dicks people here on OOT are right to call you dicks. If you want sympathy, tell this story to your mom. She might care.

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Gotta luv this.. I totally agree! Let my start by first saying that hmmm..

The officer called you a dick... wow.. I guess he is just a straight shooter. You were/are? a dick.

Youy stated yourself that you understand WHY he pulled you over, but then state that he had no right to do so and you were going to be uncooperative??

Let's look at the facts here.. It was 4am in the morning, and unless there is 100+ people walking around in this area all the time at this hour, you just walking IS suspicious and should be more than enough to have you stopped.

It's not illegal for me to have my clothes covered in blood and to walk through the busiest areas of town at 9am, but I have to understand that eventually I will be stopped.

Now, I'll be the first to say that I know nothing about Canadian law, but what you did sounds stupid, and I wish he would of hauled you asses off to the precinct.

So many people around here have said that the police should be "doing their job" and they have "better things to do". Wake up.. this IS part of their job. As mentioned by another poster, I hope when you get your house robbed or car stolen that the cops just drive by the 2 guys "just walking" down the road.

If you would have been cooperative with this guy, he would have gotten you out of there much quicker for sure, but think of this... The next time him or his buddies see you walking down the street at 4am, I think you have a drastically increased chance that they will stop you again.

I just laugh at people like you who think the need to fight the "man", but get all pissed when something happens and you need the police, but they are not "serving" your needs to the level you feel they should. Sometimes I wish I could just ship some of you off to countries where you can be arrested and detained just because you have 2 feet!
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So you spent 20+ minutes your way, when you'd likely have only spent 5 minutes and have been on your way....
Is this really a worthy battle to fight? No. It's equivalent of spending $500 to fight a $5 parking ticket

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It's princiPALITY, Smokey!

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It's a waste of time.

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It took a while, but not much longer than a standard interview (at least, not much longer than an interview in which they take and process your ID).

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Geesh.


Cops pulling random people over deserve any flak they get and then some. They should be doing their job and not hoping to get lucky while abusing law abiding citizens.

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To me, my time is worth more than wasting more time with a cop than I have to in this type of situation.

Again, I'll just pay the parking ticket and move on.

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