Some revised thoughts from \'ol jek
 

1st off, ty to ARod, yct, and especially Granny for the words of encouragement. Sometimes I'm easily amused, but the responses have certainly made posting this stuff worthwhile and given me the motivation to really be a pain in some site's asses.

The cause of my initial relief was because I was starting to get the idea that the sites had some sort of master plan in place and just didn't want to tip their hands. Upon further consideration (and after reading a nice eye-opening rant [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) It does seem that they are more likely clueless.

I will give the sites until Monday afternoon/evening to get back to me. That should give all management time to respond given that I started this on a weekend. Stars response especially intrigues me. Pacific should be good for a laugh. Party will almost certainly need multiple emails. I think ICP will ignore me.

ty again guys for all the support.

Think again. . .
 

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Skillpoker.com a sub of poker.com planned way ahead for this. Actually with a server already based in the united states and is back by a las vegas casino. Skillpoker.com said once the bill has passed skillpoker.com will be the only legal poker site online, since they said the bill will not affect them since they are an american owned company and their game of poker is based on pure skill unlike the offshore companies which is based on luck. Also skillpoker.com will be regulated by las vegas gaming commision. So its nice to see someone is looking forward to the bill being past in which it will give skillpoker.com the american market. Also I think skillpoker.com is pushing for the bill to pass as you can see one of their main offices is in washington D.C.

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Care to make a small, or better yet, LARGE wager on the outcome of that?

I think skill poker's prose is pure B.S. and won't fly anytime soon. I'll have to see it operating within the U.S. with impunity before I believe it.

I understand everyone's natural concern as it relates to current funds on deposit as well as future income. I, too, have a rather large sum invested with various poker sites and neteller. Yet I am gonna stand pat and sleep like a baby tonight.

My father often told me growing up "there's more than one way to skin a cat". Granny your criticism of poker sites responses may be too harsh. It is difficult for sites to know precisely what adjustments to make until they know specifically know the obstacles they face.

And while it seems poker sites are unconcerned, I can tell you the major offshore sportsbooks are keenly aware of what's transpiring. The big sites, with millions in profit at stake, will have a response when the time comes.

Remember when internet poker started how limited the deposit and cash out options were? But as the business has evolved so has funding methods. The situation on the horizion is merely another hurdle which must be recognized and overcome. This business will continue to change and adapt, must likely in both positive and negative ways. As players we must also adapt where necessary. Necessitty is the "Mother of Invention". Rest assured this tremendous "cash cow" will always find it's way to the barn and develop the means to survive.

Re: Think again. . .
 

"Rest assured this tremendous "cash cow" will always find it's way to the barn and develop the means to survive. "

Hmmm, I wonder if the guy who invented polyseter leisure suits felt the same way? Or the pencil sharpner? How about vinyl records or betamax? And for Granny don't forget the girdle!

It is a fact of life that some functions cease to exist. Will online poker be the next? I don't claim to know but to be unconcerned is naive.

Re: Think again. . .
 

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Hmmm, I wonder if the guy who invented polyseter leisure suits felt the same way? Or the pencil sharpner? How about vinyl records or betamax? And for Granny don't forget the girdle!

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Almost any item you can mention either became obsolute because it couldn't or wouldn't adapt to changing times and demand, or were replaced by superior products. CD's replaced albums, pens largely replaced pencils, etc. (Though I still prfer a razor sharp pencil).

Undoubtably there is a tremendous market for online gaming. Sure, those currently making millions could allow it to die, but my point remains they have all the incentive in the world to adapt, improve, advance, and ultimately survive.

You really think just as demand for these products are increasing exponetially those that provide it are just gonna wake up one day and close up shop? Granted some will, reresenting the weaker, less creative and least aggressive in the industry. Nevertheless some will remain to supply the demand for as long as it exists in large enough measure to be profitable.

Ray Kroc didn't invent or launch McDonald's. Instead he has the vision and forsight to franchise it, which represented goals far larger then those of the creator of McDonald's. So Kroc gets the cake and the McDonald's owner the crumbs. Sam Phillips, who just passed away, sold Elvis Preseley's Sun Records contract to RCA for $30,000 because he did not see Presley's true future potential as the "King of Rock & Roll".

Your thinking reflects a view which "can't see the forrest for the trees", and thus I contend, is more naive than mine.

The Gaming Club\'s Response (Prima Network)
 

Response Time: 18h 42m

Hi there jek,


Thank you for emailing The Gaming Club.

Our Casino games are played over the Internet, which reaches virtually every country in the world. Some of these jurisdictions have not yet addressed the legality of online Internet gaming, while some have specifically made Internet gaming illegal. In practical terms it is impossible for us to determine what the laws are in your jurisdiction, and whether it is legal for you to place a bet via the Internet.

Participation at The Gaming Club is the sole option, discretion and risk of the Player. In particular, the Player takes sole responsibility for determining the legality of Real money Casino play.

By placing real wagers, the Player warrants that he/she is legally able to do so within his/her jurisdiction. In so doing he/she accepts that the Casino is unable to provide any warranties regarding the legality or otherwise of any Player's participation in Real money play.

We trust that we have been of assistance.


Should you require any further assistance, feel free to contact us. For your convenience, we have a toll free helpdesk available 24 hours per day, 7 days a week.

Kind regards,

Tanya


Customer Service Representative


Wow. Granny, if you didn't like ACR's response, what about this one?

I'm debating how to phrase a reply to get a meaningful response out of them. I'm open to all suggestions.

Re: Think again. . .
 

bull7, jek187's post above proves my point. The world does not relvolve aroud the USA, online poker will continue and thrive even without our dollars.

Just because you want something very much does not always mean Santa isn't going to leave a lump of coal in your stocking.

Re: The Gaming Club\'s Response (Prima Network)
 

What we have here is a failure to communicate (or comprehend).

Do any of these sites try to understand the actual meaningful content of the messages they receive.

Why do they have these completely irrelevant responses.

Re: The Gaming Club\'s Response (Prima Network)
 

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What we have here is a failure to communicate


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Strother Martin to Paul Newman in "Cool Hand Luke"
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Do any of these sites try to understand the actual meaningful content of the messages they receive.


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A few.
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Why do they have these completely irrelevant responses

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Because someone is getting paid x rupees/hr to ANSWER emails and they want to keep their job.

Poker Stars follow-up
 

Update from Jacob:

Hello jek,

Just to update you, I have forwarded your message to management and we are
discussing various possible things we may try in reaction to this. Rest
assured, we do realize the seriousness and consequences of this possible
legislation. Once we have studied the exact wording and implications of the
legislation, we will have a better idea of how to react.

Management should be in touch with you in the next couple of days with a
more detailed answer.

Regards,

Jacob
PokerStars Support Team


Such a stark contrast between each of the site's support teams. Of course we haven't seen the real response, but I personally think Stars edges out Para if for no other reason than I've actually seen personality from some Stars personel. Anyways, enough OT rambling.

Re: Some revised thoughts from \'ol jek
 

I was starting to get the idea that the sites had some sort of master plan

J, they do NOT. the responsible sites have their lawyers and everyone shuffling to make sure that they have plans to deal with it when it happens (not if, when)

none of them have THE fix yet, but they are making sure that they will have plenty of ideas, all of them good for different scenarios that may evolve. they will be as ready to react as humanly possible.

poker sites, especially those that are top 5, and poker only (not the casino skins), are well aware of how smart poker players are in general compared to casino players. they know we are a group of people that will NEVER trust a site to react properly after the fact. they know that if we even sniff the possibility that our funds may get locked up in a C.A. bank, we will pull every dime out rather than face the uncertainties.

look at the revenue that all poker sites could lose with even a single day of being "dark". now consider the revenue that EmParty, Paradise and the other biggies would lose if they did not have an alternative for us.

peoples livelihoods and investments are on the line, and being proactive could be the difference in survival or failure.

finally jek, if you need ANY help at all with this 'project', please let me know. if i can't help, i'll find someone that can.

we know they read this board, so the existence of this thread is already common knowledge in the rooms. this thread will force the procrastinators to get off their asses, and it will serve to reward the sites that keep us in the loop.

keep it up
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