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teamdonkey 12-20-2005 12:04 AM

Re: embarrassed to show this hand...
 
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That board offers alot of possibilities besides bigger flush draws. They both probably have hit the flop, but given the pot odds at each step of the way hero can't fold.

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unlucky513 12-20-2005 12:37 AM

Re: embarrassed to show this hand...
 
honestly, i like it. i might have done things differently preflop, but overall it looks good.


i play very LAG at times, and when i am playing that way i'll play suited connectors in re-raised pots.. its a great image play, and when you catch a flop like OP did and get the odds to draw that he did, ya gotta call.. or fold preflop.

nh

12-20-2005 12:43 AM

Re: embarrassed to show this hand...
 
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well i guess the hand kinda plays itself out.... i'm not the GREATEST at the pot odds stuff.... but was i getting good enough odds here? i was getting 3-1 preflop and then like 4-1 on the flop to hit my flush..... part of me hates myself for getting involved in this hand preflop but another part of me thinks it was decent............ thoughts?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($103.30)</font>
CO ($185.52)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($70.23)</font>
SB ($44.41)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($59.32)</font>
UTG ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, CO calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $6, UTG folds, Hero calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $11</font>, Button calls $4, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($45.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, CO calls $10, Button calls $59.23 (All-In), BB calls $38.32 (All-In), Hero calls $49.23, CO folds.

Turn: ($222.28) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($222.28) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $222.28
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $200.46, between Hero, Button and BB.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $21.82, between Hero and Button.</font>

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You made several preflop mistakes here and then got yourself into a bind. You dug the whole and then kept digging.

You have low suited connectors in middle position. Ideally, what you want here is to get into a multiway pot cheaply. You do not want to raise. You are hoping for limpers before you. If I am in middle position with a hand like this and no one limps in before me, I am throwing my hand away, or maybe raising if I think the players behind me are tight.

When you raise you are usually going to push the hand to heads up, and that's not what you want with low suited connectors.

So, your first mistake was to raise. But then you compounded your mistake. You have a caller behind you (which indicates a strong hand) and a reraiser behind him (which indicates a very strong hand), plus an additional caller (this is a loose table with a lot of fish, but nevertheless you want to ditch your cards now with all the calling and reraising). But, instead you elected to call.

Then, the CO reraised on top of that. I'm putting him on AA here. The reads you should be getting on this action should negate any kind of odds you think you're getting on your hand, You should fold again here. Again you called.

Luck for you, you have a pretty good flop with the flush draw. The pot is so big at this point, that you will be able to stay in it for most raises to you. With the A on the board, you know somebody at least paired an A. I'm thinking CO made a set of Aces. (although we find that he must not have since he folds later). I would suspect that someone may also have a set of Jacks. At this point you're way behind but have a good flush draw, except that you have a low flush and with all that action you very well may be up against a higher flush if you make it.

From here on out you are definitely getting the odds for your draw, IF your draw will win it for you, and that's a big if. With two all-ins ahead of you, it should be a fold because I think your draw is dead.

So, one mistake (overplaying your hand preflop) led to a bunch of others.

scrapperdog 12-20-2005 02:02 AM

Re: embarrassed to show this hand...
 
3 bet preflop, then people start moving all-in. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see a set of jacks or aces here. If villian has a set they have close to the same chance as filling up as you do of hitting your 6 high flush.
I dont like the call of the first re-raise. It has taken control of the hand away from you, you are oop, and pretty much means you need to hit the flop smack in the face. Not to mention opens the betting again where you can get 3 bet. I would rather give up the 3 bucks then get into a situation like this. Drawing hands like 5-6 suited are no good in these situations because they are not gonna let you draw for a reasonable price. I dont like it, and am surprised so many people do.

teamdonkey 12-20-2005 02:59 AM

Re: embarrassed to show this hand...
 
$4 to call, pot is $21.50, and you know CO is gonna come along for another $4 (i laughed out loud at his min-reraise... beautiful). Even with the smallish stacks involved i'm calling the preflop raise every time.


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