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12-19-2005 01:46 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
Why raise to 4000? Vilain raise to 3xBB and you only raise to 6.5 BB. Wouldn't a raise to 5000 be bettor to get more info?

I think that folding is tight but not necessary wrong. Playing back at him for a 3rd time could make him play back at you, you don't want to call a re-raise neither loose 4k.

So call can be an option, but if the flop is low, and you call a bet of let's say 3000. The turn is low again, can you really fold to a 7000 bet that commits you? I think that not risking it, when you don't feel you'll have control of the hand is the right move.

I'm not afraid of playing on the flop, but I'm not willing to give that much of my stack when I'll have a hard time playing the hand.

Would you call with AJ?

greg nice 12-19-2005 04:46 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
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So call can be an option, but if the flop is low, and you call a bet of let's say 3000. The turn is low again, can you really fold to a 7000 bet that commits you?

I'm not afraid of playing on the flop, but I'm not willing to give that much of my stack when I'll have a hard time playing the hand.


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exactly my concerns as well.

adanthar 12-19-2005 04:52 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
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WSo call can be an option, but if the flop is low, and you call a bet of let's say 3000. The turn is low again, can you really fold to a 7000 bet that commits you?

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When he let the last two raises go? Yeah, I'm fine with that.

BTW a Q73 flop is very different from a T73 flop and I might well just fold the first one.

(edit: This is not just because he can have a Q, it's also because of how a weak tight player may decide to play JJ-TT when an overcard hits.)

John W 12-19-2005 07:14 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
At the very least this is a call. You have to play some poker in order to win.

greg nice 12-19-2005 08:41 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
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At the very least this is a call. You have to play some poker in order to win.

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and you should be thinking of the poker you are going to play ahead of time. so, like i asked in the original post, how are you going to play some flops?

12-19-2005 09:11 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
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occasionally raise to like 4k occasionaly.

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Department of redundancy department.

Sorry I couldn't help myself =)

Also, I agree, see a flop and go from there. Don't get too fancy though. I am interested if you guys would advocate the same call with 88.

jeffraider 12-19-2005 09:35 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
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Wow thats a ridiculously tight preflop fold.

Call preflop. MAKE A DECISION ON THE FLOP.

I'd say an overwhelming number of posters in the MTT board are terrified of playing flops, and its very bad. ESPECIALLY in a deep tournament with tough competition like the stars 100 rebuy. [censored] I'd call here with JTs and 22, let alone 99. Grow some balls and see what happens on the flop. This isn't a partypoker sit and go. You can see flops in position.

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I agree except that I think calling with JTs and 22 here is pretty terrible. Am I that far off?

ansky451 12-19-2005 10:11 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
I'd say its a matter of style.

John W 12-20-2005 01:01 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
If the flop comes all low cards and he leads out for 3000k, there is no calling at that point it's auto push. Your looking for a good flop and I think anything 10 and under would be considered a good flop.

greg nice 12-20-2005 01:09 PM

Re: 99 preflop decision $100r
 
so you dont even consider the possibility of an overpair?


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