Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

If we count the queens as clean outs then you have 4 outs, but with his play i dont think we can do that.
Fold to the CR.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

What do you put villan on then to discount those outs?

I assume you're discounting/thinking we're drawing dead?

check the guys PT stats.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

I didn't say anything about "every time" in my reply, just this case. If I didn't get the chance to cap it p/f then it would be different.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

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What do you put villan on then to discount those outs?

I assume you're discounting/thinking we're drawing dead?

check the guys PT stats.

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Still, a 3-bet from the SB against a UTG raise and then a flop CR tells me he will have AA-KK a decent percentage of the time. And with us having just enough to call if our queens are clean we have to fold in this situation.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

I think AA/KK is very small chance, however i agree about the queen outs must be clean to continue.

I think getting 12:1 on our flop call makes it an ok call.

This is because AA-KK is very rare, We've got implied odds on hitting and well its 12:1 enough for 3.5 outs [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] (ish [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

i think this villain is at least 3-betting a good A or K or biggish pair.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

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It looks like you are beat on the flop, but peel and p/u the flush draw. Fold UI on rvr looks good to me.

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Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

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I think you played it fine. The only thing would be the flop, now im not sure the chances of a BDSD and BDFD coming in but i think 12:1 is enough to cover it(+2 outs for queens that may be clean)

turn and river are fine, i think A/K he has often and isn't bluffing.

Why you think you misplayed it?

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Just on the flop call maybe. Also I am new to this limit and only have 11K 6 max hands in total (10K at $1 $2) so am still finding my feet.

Thanks for the imput guys.

Re: QQ and the worst possible flop.
 

The flop is the most interesting street and is totally read dependent. What hands do villain 3-bet with preflop? Since you say he have not gone overline with his cards lets put his range at TT+ AQs+ AQo+. So when he checks it to you it gets interesting. My range may be a bit tight and it's possible to make his range looser but with not so many hands on him, I just cannot do that so I take the "safe way" here. So I check behind here thinking that the only hands I beat is JJ and TT but I'm taking the risk of being bluffed out on the turn because of my check behind.

I want the freecard more than to lead out on the flop here since he is expecting us to go at it again and will check/raise us alot here if he got any part of it.

Now that you bet, I am folding to his checkraise.