Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

Your line looks good. I'd start making exceptions against the type of guy who's capping any hand he raises that's 3 bet. You need to be ahead much more often than 50% to bet unless he's check-raising with 100% of his range range.

Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

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I dunno. I doubt he's capping the turn as a bluff. If he donks the river, yeah it's annoying, but my guess is that if you ran the numbers you'd find that if there's even a 15% chance you run him off of a small pocket or get him to fold a weak ace (which still has a 3-outer, or a chance to chop with you) on the turn, the bet/3-bet line is best.


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45/40 and very aggro postflop is lunatic terriory. He's never folding a better hand to a turn 3-bet, and is easily capable of capping a worse A, any draw, or maybe even a random 6-outer. Guys like this are nuts enough that you have to you have to show your hand down, even if he caps you on the turn. Also, I'm inclined to believe that his preflop capping range here is exactly the same as his preflop opening range.

Just to give you an example of how aggro these types can get:

6-handed 30.

I open A5o in the sb, guy with those type stats calls.

Flop: 2 3 7 rainbow.

I bet, he calls.

Turn: 2 3 7 7.

I screwplay, he 3-bets, I cap (for value).

River was a J, I check, he bets, I call, and he turns over 84o.


On the particular board in the OP's hand, 3 bets total on the turn/river is probably just about right for AK, and there's a decent chance that 3-betting the turn will mean either 5 bets go in, or you make a bad fold.

Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

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...unless he's check-raising with 100% of his range

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He is.

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...unless he's check-raising with 100% of his range

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He is.

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In that case, this is just a "what is villain's range" question.

Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

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...unless he's check-raising with 100% of his range

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He is.

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In that case, this is just a "what is villain's range" question.

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This guy is always checkraising on that turn given the action so far, whether he has a hand or not. So whether or not to bet the turn and call down is really just a matter of how much equity AK has against his range.

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Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

I hope I'm allowed to rehash [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I certainly can't pull a hand range for villain out of my ass without more information. If he's liberal then bet. If his range shrinks exponentially as the bets go up (it does for some LAGs) then it's closer, but most likely still a bet.

Re: 30/60 Dealing with super-aggros
 

Posting blind.

I would play it exactly the same way.

Results
 

I agree with the consensus that a bet is neccessary when I know pretty surely that my Hand might still be ahead to his range even if I have to call down to his CR on the turn.
I didnt know enough so the check is probably fine.

Villain showed 86o and MHING. FWIW, I think he was going for the CR on the turn and if this same hand would happen again vs him with my new info I´d surely bet the turn and calldown from then on. But up to this point this line was likely the best because I didnt have enough info.

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Yes, I am SK.sTOrM. Do you play WC3?

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I knew Sk.Tom was an uber gosu WC3 player!

I harbor a small DoTA addiction still -.-

Re: Results
 

Not to be results oriented, but the results suggested that a bet/3-bet the turn line would have saved your ass and not let him hit his 6-outer.