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No raise PF?

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A8s is the cutoff for the auto-preflop raise from SB for me. Sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I'll limp. I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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you mean behind exactly one limper, or just in general

against a seemingly aggressive button limper this is a mistake IMO, you really ought to at least try to isolate so your Ahi has a chance at showdown.

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i would raise pf and I would bet that river considering he can't raise you and will call with K high or a jack

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I'm with jba, if your calling a river bet, might as well bet it.

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I'm wondering why you think you have the best hand on the turn.

The river is an easy bet, you never know what these all-in guys are going to call you with.

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I think I would've raised pre-flop. Getting 8:1 to call on the end, it's not that bad. He could easily play a jack that way.

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I disagree with the pf limp, the turn bet, and the river check.

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No raise PF?

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A8s is the cutoff for the auto-preflop raise from SB for me. Sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I'll limp. I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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you mean behind exactly one limper, or just in general

against a seemingly aggressive button limper this is a mistake IMO, you really ought to at least try to isolate so your Ahi has a chance at showdown.

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I mean with a limper. I don't know where you get that button is seemingly aggro. The read I gave was on BB, and that was a generally conservative one.

Because some players are so bad, I find myself limping liberally from SB (45 VPIPSB). I do this in weak and/or passive games where I know that a flop donk has a reasonable chance of taking down the pot (especially if broadway cards fall) or if I know that flops get checked through regularly. Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action. I don't remember the context of this hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case.

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sorry about the mixup on the reads. but against a generally conservative BB this is even more of a raise for me. don't give infinite odds when you are probably ahead.

"Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action"

you really confuse me sometimes. this seems backwards to me.

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"Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action"

you really confuse me sometimes. this seems backwards to me.

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it is. you're going to stop raising K9o and crap, not your good hands.

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I think a 20 PFR is quite high enough for me.

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Make sure it stays the *right* 20% though...

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"Sometimes I limp some stronger hands because I've been raising often and getting too much action"

you really confuse me sometimes. this seems backwards to me.

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it is. you're going to stop raising K9o and crap, not your good hands.

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Perhaps I'm undervaluing suited aces out of position. I think it's important to keep villains under control in postflop play. If they're starting to play back at me, then they're starting to play more correctly. I don't want that. So I'm not going to continually beat them over the head and teach them to play better.

In the back of my mind, I've got Poker Essays II (I just purchased/read it recently). He has a chapter called "Trying to Play Great" (p.133) where his #1 error is isolating too much. He talks about it as "weak players learning to call you down", but I think in the online shorthanded post-WPT world, weak players start pushing back.