Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

There are 2 types of position absolute and relative. Realtive just means your position to a specific player in most cases a pre-flop raiser. Indeed your act before the raiser here, but you get to see show the whole field acts after the raisers flop action before it gets back to you so that is viewed as good relative postion. It will allow you to gain lots of info about peoples hands. Of course you would also have good realtive postion if you were button and someone opened up UTG with several callers in between. In that case you would have good realtive and absolute position.

C&R discuss this in No-Limit/Pot Limit poker.

Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

mmmm i dont like the turn call if your plan is to bluff diamonds/value bet A/9

if an A falls, i dont see how he can really call any sort of river value bet without 2pair or better, and he definitely might tempt himself into calling with 2pair/better even if a diamond hits and you bet out.

Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

make sure your opponent can read the board

Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

Fold preflop. Check/raise river. People usually pay off the river vb here.

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Fold preflop. Check/raise river. People usually pay off the river vb here.

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I think this is horrible!!!

This is an easy call, live 4handed no way am I not seeing a flop. And checkraiisng the river is bad, as it's likely he'll check behind with a million hands, the only way to win the pot is to bet. The turn call is loose.

Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

I call preflop, fold the flop.

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Fold preflop. Check/raise river. People usually pay off the river vb here.

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Your blind play seems pretty tight from what I've seen in your posts here, what are the results(poker tracker stats)?

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mmmm i dont like the turn call if your plan is to bluff diamonds/value bet A/9

if an A falls, i dont see how he can really call any sort of river value bet without 2pair or better, and he definitely might tempt himself into calling with 2pair/better even if a diamond hits and you bet out.

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If we change my hand to Td8d, I have immediate odds to call on the turn for my 15-outer even if I get no more money on the river. Without Td8d, I actually have 17 "outs" as there are 2 extra diamonds in the deck that I can use. So on the turn I'm getting 2.6:1 on a 29:17 (~1.7:1) shot at winning the pot. Of course, this needs to be discounted some as board-pairing diamonds (particularly the Qd) aren't necessarily any good and there is not a 100% chance of him folding to a scare card but I think the call is well within the bounds of profitability, not to mention the donk image I can get if the river bricks, it goes check/check and I have to show my hand first.

I actually felt the most interesting thing in the hand was not the line, but the size of the river bet. What's the minimum bet here that will get a competent (but not great) opponent to fold two pair (arbitrarily picked as a holding for him as it seemed most likely at the time)?

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[censored] because I tilt and push preflop with 23o out of the blinds all the time.

Re: Bluffing the other draw when mine doesn\'t hit
 

fold flop sir