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RobGW 12-10-2005 06:43 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
I'm glad to see your back playing again. But imo this is exactly why you are going on long losing streaks. You don't play aggressively enough in general. Just play tight but aggressive. When you have a hand don't look for reasons to fold. Look for reasons to take that big pot down. You created this big pot. You can't just give it up like this. Lose your fear and you'll be better off. You'll still get sucked out on occasionally and go on losing streaks. But if you continue to play aggressively it will work in the long run. Playing passively just adds to the losses and lets people bluff at you or suck out on you.

bones 12-10-2005 07:14 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
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You don't play aggressively enough in general

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This is very funny. Anyone who has seen at least one full HH of his or talks to him on AIM will understand why.

11t 12-10-2005 07:18 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
You check/fold if he calls. If you fire a 2/3 pot sized bet he only needs to fold 33% of the time for it to be +CEV.

12-10-2005 07:25 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
Betting's still correct because they fold a good % of the time, and if you check you put yourself in a bad spot often.

FlyWf 12-10-2005 07:32 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
"Betting imo is -EV because I only get called/raised by an ace."

That doesn't necessarily follow. Bet 2/3 pot, check/fold the turn.

curtains 12-10-2005 07:42 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
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What do you do if he calls? Check-fold turn or fire again?

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Once he calls you are done...and you dont have to bet a huge amount on the flop...probably 100 is fine.

psyduck 12-10-2005 08:33 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
Bet T100 and that's the last amount you're putting into the pot.

EasilyFound 12-11-2005 09:17 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
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You check/fold if he calls. If you fire a 2/3 pot sized bet he only needs to fold 33% of the time for it to be +CEV.

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I'm not a math wiz, but is that correct? Don't you have to win two of three times to turn a profit? Is EV different from CEV here?

If it is a $300 pot, and you bet $200 each time, you need to win more than once to turn a profit, right?

Double Down 12-11-2005 09:24 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
"Personally I am MORE inclined to make a pot sized bet on a coordinated board because I want to look like I'm protecting the ace I'm represening. "

Yeah, but on a coordinated board such as AQ7 with 2 of a suit, even if you bet representing the ace, they may call with an ace, a queen, or a draw and you won't really know where u stand.

For what it's worth, my default play is I bet the flop if I'm against 1 opponent, but I check with 2 or more since the odds are that one of them connected with the ace, and probably with at least a jack kicker if they called my preflop raise. (Keep in mind, this pertains to the 215 level. Not sure what kinds of ace kickers people call with at lower limits)

aujoz 12-11-2005 09:28 PM

Re: KK - Ace on the flop. Common situation, I need to fix it
 
betting 1/2 of the pot, you need to win it 1/3 of the time to break even.

betting 2/3 of the pot, you need to win it 2/5 of the time to break even.

betting 1/1 of the pot, you need to win it 1/2 of the time to break even.

(i think)


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