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12-09-2005 08:31 AM

Re: ($55) A little lost on this QK
 
You really need to fold this flop. I think this is close if button just calls, and he minraised.

GtrHtr 12-09-2005 12:51 PM

Re: ($55) A little lost on this QK
 
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I figured MP2 for sure didnt have AK, so I'd throw in a CR on the flop

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Ideally he WOULD have AK, so he'll CB and you pwn him and take the pot right there. What hands does he raise preflop and then bet the flop that you beat? Probably around the same number of hands that beat you...but it'll be an expensive endeavor to figure out which he has.


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then button raised before I could, and I turned into a pussy calling station. Was this call okay?

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No. This is a draw heavy board, and you absolutely must protect your hand if you want to play. Decide if you're good or not, and then raise all-in or fold based on that. As a basic guideline, when I have no info as to where I stand and I have two opponents showing aggression, I prefer to err on the side of caution.


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Is the blocking bet on the river appropriate?

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No, and I think the previous action should make this clear. MP2 took control preflop. Button took it from him on the flop. Then MP2 decided to take it back on the turn. Meanwhile, you're stuck in the middle with no clue what's going on. With this power struggle occurring around you, do you really think you can step in with a weak hand on the river and it won't get raised? Fat chance.

Last, I think you need to recognize early on when it's going to be bad for you to continue in the hand. When the lead changes three times on three streets, that ought to be a huge warning signal that choppy waters lie ahead, and you'll need to really like your hand to continue.

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This is an excellent post by the boy genius. Why no comments on this analysis?

gumpzilla 12-09-2005 01:26 PM

Re: ($55) A little lost on this QK
 
I think the flop call is okay, but after that bet and minraise, I'm not very thrilled about my prospects for the rest of the hand. With two other players in and out of position, it's going to be very unlikely that it's going to be cheap from here on out, and there are a lot of indicators that are suggestive that you're beat. AQ, a set, or some kind of combination draw could all be coming at you here. So I'd fold on the flop, and I'd fold again on the turn.

Your river bet is quite bad, in my opinion. It looks way too weak to effectively block anything, especially after you're against two opponents who have shown serious interest in this pot the whole way. This kind of hand is the exact reason that most people recommend staying away from KQ.

Femto 12-10-2005 03:35 AM

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This is an excellent post by the boy genius. Why no comments on this analysis?

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Because nobody disagrees :-) Pretty dead-on. Thanks perg.


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