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12-08-2005 01:16 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
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The strange thing is - how would they be able to manage the pay by starting chip stack? everyone counts their chips before each hand during h4h?

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the other player went out before the h4h. doesn't that matter?

boedeker 12-08-2005 01:30 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
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Most casinos will do exactly what happened to you when you busted out on the bubble. If multiple players bust when going hand for hand either at the same table or different tables the money is divided equally regardless of how many chips you started with. It's very difficult for a casino
to keep track of chip counts at multiple tables. At the final table when two players bust than whoever has the most
chips to start with winds up with a higher place. In this
scenario the tournament director knows exactly how many chips a player has prior to the start of the hand. This is
at least the procedure used in all of the So. Ca. casinos
and at the WSOP.

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this was what i was trying to say in a less articulate fashion.

citanul 12-08-2005 01:32 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
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this was what i was trying to say in a less articulate fashion.

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haha. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

well, honestly, here's the thing for me:

this is only a problem like, once a tournament, right? and only on the specific hand where more than one person busts out and suddenly we're in the money. it's not like it's not easy to know that that is happening. finding out how much money someone had to start a hand shouldn't be that hard retroactively for a single event.

c

Temp Hutter 12-08-2005 02:25 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
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When JC bets I have to figure that he probably has a better hand than me.


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I would say no. JC can be very aggressive and is capable of betting total air like he has the nuts. He is also capable of making a tough laydown so I would rather put him to the test than the other way around.

odiggity 12-08-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
u have an M of 5. did u think u could get away from the hand after betting 8k? blinds are about to put u in the red zone so a push PF would be reasonable. push or fold PF seem like the only 2 logical plays.

bruce 12-08-2005 02:54 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
Agreed he's aggressive, but not stupid. His flop bet might
be air. There's a pretty big side pot already, but when he
bet's the turn there's a pretty good likelyhood that he has
something and it's better than pocket Sevens.

It's easy for me to be a Monday quarterback, but when JC calls BTF shouldn't alarm bells being going off. Is he
really going to call with KQ or AT? I think with him not
reraising he has defined his hand as a medium pocket pair probably higher than Sevens. Would he flat call with AK
or AQ? I don't know what his stack size was before but I'm almost certain he would reraise with these hands.

Bruce

Riverman 12-08-2005 02:58 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
Your play is pretty bad here, first of all. This raise to 8k is all risk and little reward, and when called the bells should have been going off- even aggros dont go bluffing at dry side pots when someone is all-in this late in a tourney.

As for your problem, it is your fault for not clarifying the rule with the floor before acting.

stevepa 12-08-2005 04:29 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
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Your play is pretty bad here, first of all. This raise to 8k is all risk and little reward, and when called the bells should have been going off- even aggros dont go bluffing at dry side pots when someone is all-in this late in a tourney.

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This side pot is far from dry, the guy is all-in for 1000. The side pot is FAR bigger than the main pot, this "people don't bluff when someone is all in" is what makes this such a good bluffing spot. As for the rest of the hand, it's a tough spot and I certainly don't think it was played poorly. The floor decision seems pretty ridiculous to me...

Steve

citanul 12-08-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
sirio,

what is hinted at in another post i think is fairly relevant.

while i'm not too much a fan of the utg raise with a tricky good player who has you covered to act behind you, that's what we've got.

the guy's good and aggressive, and sure the flop bet can be lots of hands.

i think that the turn bet is much less likely to be a call that's close to reasonable with 77. i think there's further problems because if you lead at the pot he's not in a terribly difficult spot. you wouldn't normally lead the turn with AA, KK, a queen, and he doesn't have a great reason to put you on a J. At least I don't see the check call flop lead turn that often here with AA, KK or a Q.

c

locutus2002 12-08-2005 05:31 PM

Re: Screwed up Bellagio 3k Bubble
 
I'd fold PF.
I'm not playing 77 on the bubble if I can't play it without thinking about the consequences, which are real or we wouldn't be having this post.
After your opening bet there is 31K in the pot. On this flop I'd be pot committed and I'd bet out. It's a little late to worry about the bubble, seeing where you're at and hoping you'll get paid.


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