Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

This is a clear fold. Two overcards to your TT? If you do catch that set what makes you think one opponent didn't limp with KJo? Play these tens against better flops.

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

*grunch*

I can understand peeling this flop, but I would likely fold most turn cards except a T, even then I would be wary of the straight.

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

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Peeling this flop is never right.

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Never huh?

So you're putting someone on J9 or KJ a large percentage of the time that you hit?

While hitting his set on the turn does not guarantee him a winner, I'd love to see an argument that pushes 15:1 + implied odds to worse than "marginal"...let alone "never".

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

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I like the pfr

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Why?
I dont have them available to me now, but I know I've seen the percentages vs 5 opponents that someone will flop a J-A. I cant believe it's less than 20%.

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You could prolly peel the flop for implied odds, but a fold is good too.

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The raise didnt even price you in to a better than marginal flop call.

First or second I like the raise, but not with that many limpers.

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

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I like the pfr

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Why?
I dont have them available to me now, but I know I've seen the percentages vs 5 opponents that someone will flop a J-A. I cant believe it's less than 20%.

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yeah this is why i don't raise AKs. it's only ace high, and people will flop pairs sooooooooo often on you.

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

Fold or raise this flop, I lean to fold. Since you were the preflop aggressor, a raise here might get you a free card, but it will not fold ANYBODY that's already called one, and you're going to have to show down the best hand to win.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, you're so far from best hand right now that the light from the best hand won't reach yours for about 500 years.

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First or second I like the raise, but not with that many limpers.

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Wow. When I'm President, it's going to be a felony to not raise AA-TT preflop in an unraised pot. Smile for your Post Office picture...

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

grunch

easy flop fold

call isnt great, raise is ridiculous

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

This "raise for a free card with a hand that has very little chance of improving" crap has got to stop.

Re: Raise flop for free card?
 

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I like the pfr

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Why?
I dont have them available to me now, but I know I've seen the percentages vs 5 opponents that someone will flop a J-A. I cant believe it's less than 20%.

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yeah this is why i don't raise AKs. it's only ace high, and people will flop pairs sooooooooo often on you.

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You coulda just said, "Bram maybe you should run pokerstove with TT and see that even against 5 opponents, your equity is greater than 20%."