Re: Why do I still do stuff like this?
 

Surf,

How sure are you that calling the flop is good here, considering it's really hard to know how clean our outs are?

Re: Why do I still do stuff like this?
 

At a live game I might ask the dealer something like "how many bets does it go up to here?" before 3 betting. Every time I check out some casino that line buys like 50% folding equity. If I'm Button in this hand I'm calling your 3 bet with, like, ace high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: Why do I still do stuff like this?
 

No because those same aggressive players will pay me off or go off for many bets when I do flop monsters, or at least pairs. The reason they are bad is because they don't adjust. The good thinking LAG who steals small pot after small pot but can quickly give up on his hand when I do flop well is the scarier kind who you have to win some battles against - the garden variety LAG can best be beat with patience.

-DeathDonkey

Re: Why do I still do stuff like this?
 

thanks for the responses guys. I didnt like the way I played this hand, and as soon as it was over went "that was dumb". I still find msyelf doing this to often, and on occasion they actually do fold (who knows what tho) and I think it feeds my inner maniac desire to do stupid things I know I shouldnt. So I like to get reasurance that, indeed, its dumb

Re: Why do I still do stuff like this?
 

"No because those same aggressive players will pay me off or go off for many bets when I do flop monsters, or at least pairs. The reason they are bad is because they don't adjust. The good thinking LAG who steals small pot after small pot but can quickly give up on his hand when I do flop well is the scarier kind who you have to win some battles against - the garden variety LAG can best be beat with patience."

I don't agree. The garden variety LAG will run you over in a shorthanded game if you are too patient. Beating the LAG often requires weak calldowns and sometimes drastic resteal efforts, otherwise he's going to bet you out of too many pots. At best a tight TAG is evening things up by getting extra bets in when the LAG can't fold, but the LAG makes up for this if he's taking down pots left and right because the TAG is playing fit or fold. If the LAG is betting too often with weak hands, is a better strategy for beating him to raise all the time or to fold more?

-Michael