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2+2 wannabe 12-05-2005 03:50 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
your VP$IP at 15/30-30/60 isn't high enough

like people have said, your opponents respect raises more so you should play every hand for a raise

jackdaniels 12-05-2005 04:34 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
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your VP$IP at 15/30-30/60 isn't high enough

like people have said, your opponents respect raises more so you should play every OTHER hand for a raise

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FYP. You really want to remain a bit deceptive. Otherwise, your post is good.

12-05-2005 05:01 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
Are you joking?

You have a combined 115 hands at those levels.
Play 20,000 at every level then look at your winrate.

...and why the hell do you want everyone to fold to your AA?

I want people calling me with gutshot straight draws and underpairs. Every once in a while they win. Every other time, I load up.

drewjustdrew 12-05-2005 05:43 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
Your sample hand alone should give you some clue. You have created a monster pot, thereby making it virtually impossible for these poor players to make mistakes on the turn and only make small mistakes on river. Call, call, call!

12-05-2005 11:25 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
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well i don't think i could beat like phil ivey or gus hansen but it would probably be easier to beat them than beat all 9 people that see the flop at 2/4. that's why 15/30 is better because only 3 or 4 people see the flop and then you can bluff them

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I used to feel this way also, that playing higher limits i was able to put moves on other players more and thus win more. I do question just how much the skill level improves as the stakes go up--i think many times its just a case of the same skill levels but their day jobs pay better!!
Still, it seemed to me that i was just playing the smaller stakes a bit incorrectly. If you play very tight pre-flop when everyone is seeing the flop, you are probably not playing your suited connectors, Ax suited, etc. With the fishy games, you want to hit monster hands and then get paid off when people chase when drawing dead. The AK AQ, QQ type hands do better with fewer callers. Sometimes, Sklansky points out that the players actually get correct odds to call your high cards when everyone calls a raise preflop. Now the pot odds make calling correct.
So if you get a lot more players in, then you want to play more straight, flush, and other hands geared toward becoming monsters.
I suck at poker but am finding the lower limits to be more and more beatable with this strategy tweak. As you move up, potentially playing tighter, aggro, bluffing comes into play.

-g

12-05-2005 11:33 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
I am surprised, that you have jumped yet another level, maybe you are a natural ?? :-)

BigBiceps 12-05-2005 11:41 PM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
you are playing too tight and too passive at the lower limits, which is evidenced by your winrates.

mj12 12-06-2005 12:45 AM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
"well i don't think i could beat like phil ivey or gus hansen but it would probably be easier to beat them than beat all 9 people that see the flop at 2/4. that's why 15/30 is better because only 3 or 4 people see the flop and then you can bluff them "

its not so much that they are harder to beat, but u are not playing properly. TO say that pple chasing without the correct odds is detrimental to your play is just dumb. Maybe you should reconsider the value of your hands in loose multiway pots b4 making obviously unknowledgable claims

mj12 12-06-2005 12:48 AM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
you can prob keep up that 22.44bb/100 at 15/30. just think a year of playing 1 table 40 hours a week could mean over a million $ 4 u

12-06-2005 01:01 AM

Re: why do i win more at 15/30 and 30/60 than 5/10?
 
Make sure none of the fish find out about this, because they might move up and dominate the higher stakes games by sucking out all the time like they do at small stakes.


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