Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

I'd rather hold my breath and call than raise here. Calling would be suicide in an aggressive game, but you can exploit passive players by making calls like this with weak hands. IMO the best play is just to throw it away and pick a better spot. This board is too friendly and I can just see you getting coldcalled by the entire table.

Brad

Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

It's not all about the outs. Relative position makes this a fold IMO. If you knew everyone was just going to call, then a call is great. But the chance of it being raised is high, even with passive opponents.

Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

All right, guess I'll concede the point.

Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

OK. Let's change the situation slightly...

2/4 live game

Hero has 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in MP. UTG drunk LAG limps, Hero limps, 2 LP weak-fish people limp, SB (LAG 2+2'er) raises, BB calls and so does everyone else.

flop (6 players) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, UTG drunk LAG calls, Hero ???

Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

surely you're calling now getting 14:1.

Re: raising bottom pair into five people
 

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You live in Las Vegas and you know how to play, I assume.

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I think it's pretty obvious that I don't. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

The raise is not because I think I have the best hand. It's because I think raising makes the fish calling with a lot of draws a mistake that calling doesn't.