Re: Dark checkraised w/KK -- 5handed 20/40 at the Muckleshoot
 

Would he 3-bet TT preflop? If so, I like Joe's plan. If not, then I'd call down.

Re: Dark checkraised w/KK -- 5handed 20/40 at the Muckleshoot
 

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Would he 3-bet TT preflop? If so, I like Joe's plan. If not, then I'd call down.

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I didn't know at the time, and am still not sure. I did learn later in the session that he won't raise 99 HU from the BB.

If your are not sure of his pre-flop 3-bet standards, do follow Joe's plan, or call down?

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I 3-bet and he caps... call down?

Re: Dark checkraised w/KK -- 5handed 20/40 at the Muckleshoot
 

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If your are not sure of his pre-flop 3-bet standards, do follow Joe's plan, or call down?

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In all honesty, I'd probably call down. I think 3-betting the turn here is, if anything, pushing a very very slight +EV edge, but also increasing variance. You'll always get capped by TT/99, and I think you have to fold or make it very expensive to call down. If he has T9, you have a few hidden outs against it. If he's running a complete bluff, calling allows him to bluff again on the river, while 3-betting will get him to fold immediately.

I like our hand, but since it's heads up I just don't see as much value in a turn 3-bet unless we can easily rule out TT.

Re: Dark checkraised w/KK -- 5handed 20/40 at the Muckleshoot
 

That was sort of my thinking too.

I just called and raised when a K hit on the river.

I've posted a Next Action part of the thread though to see how Joe and others would respond to a cap.

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I'm still on the gas here, he has A9, fck him.

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LOL.

I like Bobbyi's idea. That's the first thing I thought of. Yes, the guy may see through it, but I'll find out how he reacts rather than just assume how he will. If he folds, this could also open him up for turn semi bluffs.

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I 3-bet and he caps... call down?

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Bobbyi's line saves you 1/2 bet at this point.

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I like Bobbyi's idea. That's the first thing I thought of. Yes, the guy may see through it, but I'll find out how he reacts rather than just assume how he will. If he folds, this could also open him up for turn semi bluffs.

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That's a good point. I get maximum from this hand if he calls the power sequence, and if he folds I can use the info to maximize EV for the session.

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I 3-bet and he caps... call down?

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Bobbyi's line saves you 1/2 bet at this point.

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Ya.. well, I didn't 3-bet the turn... I just wanted to explore the line.

(In actuality, I called and raised a rivered King. Villain later told me he had 99)

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Well, from what I understand, Barry Greenstein plays good...

The decision on whether to take this sort of "obvious" line is clearly player dependent. Some players are so paranoid of turn raise bluffs that they'll call down turn raises but get concerned if you give them action on the flop. PJ's story is a good illustration of how weirdly mid-limit players can read seemingly obvious things.

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People are paranoid of turn raise bluffs? Really? How do I identify these people? Are people calling these raises at mid limits because they think I'm bluffing? I assumed the people who call here are just the same loose players who need to showdown a hand. Is there really a difference between a person who calls down because he wants to showdown and one who calls down because he's paranoid of bluffs?