Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

On the Party .25/.50 tables slow playing Big Slick must have been in their join up literature because that seems to be the play of the last few days. Fortunately they just call with it even when it hits so the damage is minimal.

About the only time I'll limp/re-raise is when a donkey is rasing for the 3rd time this orbit and I want to isolate him. Other than that I'd rather raise a raising hand or steal hand than slow play it.

It is a good idea at the right table
 

You are at a table with a known raiser and a bunch of calling stations.

You get dealt AA in early postion.

You can raise and get a bunch of people in for 2 SBs.

Or you can limp, known raiser raises as usual, calling stations all call, and then you 3-bet. Now since they are in for 1 or 2 SBs already, calling stations all call.

Now you have a bunch of people in for 3 SBs instead of just 2 SBs.

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

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I might do this from EP with a hand that plays especially well multi-way, like J-10s. So I limp in from EP but if it's back to me with a raise and five or six-handed I might re-raise. The idea is if you connect on the flop you could win a monster pot against something like A-A or K-K, and if you don't connect it's easy to get away from the hand.

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Or you could just call and save yourself a SB if you don't connect on the flop. You don't have an equity edge to push on the flop against 5 others, even with very liberal starting ranges:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 14.2147 % 12.99% 01.23% { JTs }
Hand 2: 17.2277 % 15.97% 01.25% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 3: 17.1653 % 15.91% 01.25% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 4: 15.4399 % 14.38% 01.06% { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 5: 15.4956 % 14.44% 01.06% { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 6: 20.4566 % 19.24% 01.21% { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }

As we can see you have the least amount of equity even with JTs, assuming the first 2 players playing the top 20% starting hands, next 2 players with only top 30% hands, and the last player being a little more solid (AKA 2+2 TAG style) playing top 12% of hands.

That sim isn't exactly a precise scientific simulation but I think you get the idea.

Steve

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

I do understand the point about equity, and it is definitely not my usual MO to reraise with that sort of hand, but on certain tables I have found that reraising under the right conditions will lead many players to stay too long in the hand--they'll often stay for the turn and even the river drawing dead when I get a good flop.

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

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Ha. You're one of those douchebags?

That's the worst time you can conceivably limp with aces/kings. Just raise, for [censored] sake.

I cant help but laugh when people who do this bitch and moan when i make some retarded ass two pair from the blinds with a sub-marginal hand to take down their slowplayed overpair.

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this works just fine for me since I make much more than I would winning the blinds by doing this SOME of the time. Loosing once in a blue moon doesn't bother me. I don't whine. Winning the bigger pots more than makes up for the losing one pot.






douchebag

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

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the only time I ever limp/reraise is when I have AA or KK on the button and its folded to me and the blinds are tight. I might call to lure one of them in if I can.

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Thats a good strategy aslong as the player that does this know when to fold his aces. Me on the other hand tries to always do the opposite. If it's folded to me on the button and I have KK/AA I always bet hoping for one of the blinds to take it as a cold steal and at these "low" limits I often get atleast one of the blinds to call me and when he hits one pair, he will think it's good.

Whatever works for you, aslong as you know when you are beat.

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

I've used this play like once or twice when I had 77 or 88 in early position and it comes back to me 2 bets with almost the entire table involved in the pot. I figured I might as well just pump the pot for the times I hit the set.

Whether it's right or not, I have no idea. But once or twice in tens of thousands of hands, it can't be that big of a mistake.

I think limping AA or KK is flat out wrong, no matter what situation.

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

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Thats a good strategy aslong as the player that does this know when to fold his aces. Me on the other hand tries to always do the opposite. If it's folded to me on the button and I have KK/AA I always bet hoping for one of the blinds to take it as a cold steal and at these "low" limits I often get atleast one of the blinds to call me and when he hits one pair, he will think it's good.

Whatever works for you, aslong as you know when you are beat.

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The reason you only should do this against tight-passive blinds is because the odds are overwhelming that they will fold. Against aggressive players I raise because then they will reraise me thinking I'm on a steal. I play them differently against different blinds. Why raise blinds who never defend? Its totally player dependent.

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

Oh, Oh, OOHHHH!

I can answer this one in 1 word:



BEER!

Re: Why do people call/re-raise preflop?
 

hey tarheel

its not as bad if they do it with a bunch of hands but its still bad.