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It is to be expected if the largest and most accessible market is arbitrarily closed (probably in the name of economic freedom and free markets [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

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Do you really not know why there is an (outdated) embargo on Cuba?

Re: Cigars, Politics and Freedom (in that order)
 

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It is to be expected if the largest and most accessible market is arbitrarily closed (probably in the name of economic freedom and free markets [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

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Do you really not know why there is an (outdated) embargo on Cuba?

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I heard it had something to do with Castro [censored] Marilyn Monroe.

Re: Cigars, Politics and Freedom (in that order)
 

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It is to be expected if the largest and most accessible market is arbitrarily closed (probably in the name of economic freedom and free markets [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

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Do you really not know why there is an (outdated) embargo on Cuba?

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Because it was a loss rather than a victory for the US. Seems to always work like that. Vietnam was the same. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The Nicaraguan company Padron makes some damn fine cigars that in my mind are just as good, if not better than the Cubans I have smoked.

Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced, but to each his own.

Re: Cigars, Politics and Freedom (in that order)
 

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It is to be expected if the largest and most accessible market is arbitrarily closed (probably in the name of economic freedom and free markets [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

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Do you really not know why there is an (outdated) embargo on Cuba?

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Because it was a loss rather than a victory for the US. Seems to always work like that. Vietnam was the same. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah, it sucks that we lost the Cuban missile crisis.

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The Nicaraguan company Padron makes some damn fine cigars that in my mind are just as good, if not better than the Cubans I have smoked.

Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced, but to each his own.

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Should we even bother asking which cubans you smoked?

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The Nicaraguan company Padron makes some damn fine cigars that in my mind are just as good, if not better than the Cubans I have smoked.

Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced, but to each his own.

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Should we even bother asking which cubans you smoked?

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I can see your point, but I don't think I need to divulge that information. I can tell you I have had quite a few top dollar cubans ($25-$40 range) and in my opinion, dollar for dollar they are not worth the effort to try to track them down inside the U.S.

Smoking cigars for me is about personal preference, not about being an elitist who wants to impress everyone around him but doesn't even know how to appreciate the cigar.

Like I said, to each his own.

I personally prefer padrons, but I understand, if someone else doesn't.

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The Nicaraguan company Padron makes some damn fine cigars that in my mind are just as good, if not better than the Cubans I have smoked.

Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced, but to each his own.

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Should we even bother asking which cubans you smoked?

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I can see your point, but I don't think I need to divulge that information. I can tell you I have had quite a few top dollar cubans ($25-$40 range) and in my opinion, dollar for dollar they are not worth the effort to try to track them down inside the U.S.

Smoking cigars for me is about personal preference, not about being an elitist who wants to impress everyone around him but doesn't even know how to appreciate the cigar.

Like I said, to each his own.

I personally prefer padrons, but I understand, if someone else doesn't.

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I def agree, that its preference, not being elitist. But, one, I hate padrons, I had the 1926 anniv, and did not like it one bit (and it was not cheap), 2- I really dislike some cubans, it just happens that my favorite is a cuban (2004 sublime). To me the Padron's are too strong, and "stingy", where a nice H Upman (domestic) Vintage cameroon is my style. Does Padron make something similar to the Upman that I could try?

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Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced , but to each his own.

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Because they are illegal. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah, it sucks that we lost the Cuban missile crisis

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That was a diplomatic solution, not a military victory. I was thinking more of the stellar example of military might and brilliant display of strategic and tactical skills examplified in the memorable "Bay of Pigs" intervention. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]