Re: do you fold KK to this turn ace?
 

w/o knowing his stats, I fold. The pot isn't big enough

Re: do you fold KK to this turn ace?
 

I forgot to add that even though he may have a hand like 88 or 99 that he would continue to bluff the river with he may also call the turn raise and check the river, therby you make the same anyway along with all the previous advantages I stated. I've seen this may times. I'll raise the river with my 2nd pair after a donk and they call with 3rd pair anyway hoping to hit trips on river.

Re: do you fold KK to this turn ace?
 

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Yea that's true. But you can get BB to fold. And you can get him to fold a hand that he wouldn't continue bluffing on the river, but a hand he will only bet if he improves. Like a pocket pair that hits a two outer.

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Who cares about BB folding? There's a pair on the flop, so if BB makes 2 pair, you win with your higher 2 pair. If the pot was gigantic, then you would have a bit of an excuse to spew some chips raise BB off of a gutshot that he's not holding.

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Let's say you just call and then he checks the river. Do you bet? I vote yes.

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Raising the turn is so much worse than just folding or even calling, but not taking the free showdown you paid for is worse.

If you make a bad read and put him on a hand like 99 - and there's no reason to think someone who donkbets this turn with 99 doesn't show strength on the flop - then raising the turn scares him off. Your best line if you think he is FOS is call/call or if he checks the river after your turn call, you can bet.

Also, a 44 VPIP player doesn't fold a weak ace to a turn raise.

Re: do you fold KK to this turn ace?
 

I never said he's folding a weak ace. I know that.

And i didn't mean to bet after raising the turn and checked too. I meant betting if you just call the turn and he checks river.

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And i didn't mean to bet after raising the turn and checked too. I meant betting if you just call the turn and he checks river.

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My mistake. But I still think folding the turn is better.