Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

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why not bet the flop and let UTG blow button away?

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because i don't expect him to raise with a worse hand often at all. if this does work (let's say he raises with
A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and takes a free turn card), he's still going to outdraw me ~30% of the time. but most of the time he raises, he'll have an overpair or AJ.

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If he is successful in knocking out the button, this would be a pretty standard spot for a stop and go and fold to another raise.

Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

What do you think about donk/folding the turn? I like your line (assuming we're folding to a 3-bet) if he might raise a turn donk with a hand you beat. What's your plan for the river?

Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

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I don't mind how you played it. I've been 3-betting this a lot PF lately though.

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I think that 3 betting PF OOP this situation is horrible, and if you are doing that often, you are putting way too much money in PF OOP.

I dig the whole hand so far. That second jack is really good, and you should fold to a three bet if it happens

Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

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I don't mind how you played it. I've been 3-betting this a lot PF lately though.

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I think that 3 betting PF OOP this situation is horrible, and if you are doing that often, you are putting way too much money in PF OOP.

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You're argument is basically applicable to any hand. If I 3-bet 88 here isn't for the same reason I 3-bet AA.

Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

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What do you think about donk/folding the turn? I like your line (assuming we're folding to a 3-bet) if he might raise a turn donk with a hand you beat. What's your plan for the river?

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i don't think donk/folding is bad. the guy won't raise me with a worse hand. i kind of like checking more though, because i get to see if button raises and i get value from overcards that will bet here but perhaps fold to a donk bet. the great thing is that he will often fold his 6 outs to my c/r, too.

my river plan obviously depends on what happens after my c/r. if they both call (or if only UTG calls) i'm leading any non A/K/Q river. i'm not sure what i do if an A/K/Q falls. if only button calls i'm leading any river. if they both fold, i rejoice.

Re: 88 in BB - i c/c, c/r.
 

yeah.

fold to a 3bet.

bet the river regardless of what it is.