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Mercman572 11-25-2005 03:15 PM

Re: interesting QQ hand
 
i'm for a push for the same reasons as kongo. i think the times you're ahead and the times you have outs when you're not or fold better hands makes this a definite push.

teamdonkey 11-25-2005 05:35 PM

Re: interesting QQ hand
 
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i'm for a push for the same reasons as kongo. i think the times you're ahead and the times you have outs when you're not or fold better hands makes this a definite push.

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what better hand could you possibly get to fold here? KK? what possible hand you're ahead of calls this? K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J?

Pushing makes zero sense to me. If you're convinced you're ahead and want to get the rest of your money in, the better plan by far is to check and let worse hands try to bet you out. What hands are you ahead of now that you're worried about giving a free card to?

saxhoe 11-25-2005 05:54 PM

Re: interesting QQ hand
 
I probably would push here but I must say I agree with teamdonkey... Why push?

11-25-2005 05:55 PM

Re: interesting QQ hand
 
Please explain.

I think team donkey makes a good case that most of what folds to a push is well behind. While, a check-call allows villan the chance to bluff. I can understand the push if hero didn't hold Qh.

kongo_totte 11-25-2005 10:04 PM

Re: interesting QQ hand
 
Well, it really depends on how aggressive villian is, about which nothing is mentioned in OP. If there is a good chance he'll bluff, c/c or c/r all in. If he won't bluff pushing is the only way to go. Hero is likely getting nothing from hands like 99 or worse no matter what he does (unless he will bluff). The only hands hero will get money from is TT+ and probably only if villian holds a heart. Altough he might call w/ J J (no heart) etc. If the river is a heart, J J (no heart) is mucking very quickly. So if villian is likely to try to represent the A (or the flush) c/c or c/r. If he isn't, push, w/ the advantages I posted in my first post.


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