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11-16-2005 02:47 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
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The 66 call preflop has to be standard? Who here folds or reraises? (only played 40 hands at the table, opponent seems on the poor side of solid)

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I definitely call any reasonable preflop raise with any pocket pair. I may raise with any moderate PP in position, but for the most part with low-mid PP I play them for set value.

I think what Morphball was trying to say is that it is possible to include fold equity as an extra edge with your 66. In position, if you take control of the hand, you can pressure post flop with the momentum created in the preflop reraise. This tactic is a little too aggro for my taste, for the most part. It's definitely another line to take, but you'd be investing a whole lot more chips to win a smaller pot, with a very good possibility of being checkraised to lose all your invested chips anyway.

DJ Sensei 11-16-2005 02:47 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
Folding 66 here preflop to a rather small raise (relative to stack sizes) would be throwing away potential money, ESPECIALLY against a UTG raise, as his range is tighter than a raise from other positions.

Also, OP's line was pretty much perfect in my opinion.

4_2_it 11-16-2005 03:08 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with calling the pre-flop raise. Using the 5/10 rule for set mining is +EV and I think you have no problem extracting $30 if you hit your set against all but the tightest rocks.

xorbie 11-16-2005 03:13 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
You are better off either pushing or check raising this river then betting $40-$50 IMO.

elus2 11-16-2005 03:33 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
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You are better off either pushing or check raising this river then betting $40-$50 IMO.

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i prefer the push.

swolfe 11-16-2005 03:36 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
check/call river, AQ and QQ are fairly likely hands. i think a check/call saves you money when you're behind and still gets the most value from other potential hands that may not call a river bet, but might make a bet to win it on the end (busted flush draw, AK, etc).

Mackerel 11-16-2005 04:12 PM

Re: Flopped set, rivered full house. How do I proceed(scary board)
 
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Good raise, but probably not big enough - If you put your opponent on an A-broadway combo (as you should have b/c it's way more likely he has that than A-A), you have the best of him. Keep in mind that he has a dangerous second best hand with a lot of draws, the most likely 10-A straight, and a possible but less likely flush draw. He likely has an ace as well. If he has the broadway draw, his straight is gut shot (or even backdoor if he has an ace.) Playing it safe and giving your oppenent credit for the flush draw, then we can give UTG credit for having 15 outs (9 flush, 4 gut shot straight and 2 aces (b/c I think it is unlikely he has A-A in the hole)).

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Huh?? You're giving villian credit for 15 outs? First of all, we have a spade, so that's only 8 flush outs. And if he has a flush draw, then he doesn't have an A, so you can't give him both outs. Worst case scenario on the flop(besides a bigger set, of course) is something like KsQs which gives him 11 outs, and you'll still have a redraw if he hits on the turn.

I like the play on every street. On the end, depending on the villian and what I think he thinks of me, I could do anything from C/R all-in to a C/C or open push. Either way, if he hit he hit, but you can't find a fold.


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