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Whatever. He's a system quarterback.

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Nice.

I'd probably give it to Brady.

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MVP is either LT2 or Shaun.

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I'll second the Ladanian vote. (As a NYer, even saying "LT2" is too close to saying "LT," which is sacred, so I just call him Ladanian.)

As an aside, does anyone know where to get a hold of some old football games on film? I'm specifically interested in watching LT(1). Torrents would work...

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Jake Plummer is the NFL MVP right now.


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Give it time, the picks are coming, he cant keep this up forever.

Schedule:

Sun 11/20 NY Jets 4:15 pm
Thu 11/24 at Dallas 4:15 pm
Sun 12/4 at Kansas City 4:15 pm
Sun 12/11 Baltimore 4:15 pm
Sat 12/17 at Buffalo 8:30 pm
Sat 12/24 Oakland 4:15 pm
Sat 12/31 at San Diego 4:30 pm

Hes going to throw a bunch of picks on the San Diego game and one other one maybe two of the following games: at Buffalo, at Kansas City, or at Dallas.

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Hes going to throw a bunch of picks on the San Diego game

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Why? Isn't their secondary horrible?

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As for Walter Jones an O-Line Man will never win MVP
Since a QB almost always wins the award I think Plummer is a good pick. The only QB who is playing better for a premier team is Carson Palmer.

Out of the QB's rated higher than Plummer
McNabb, Brady, and Bledsoe - Team not good enough
Delhomme, Brees, and Peyton - Might not even by their own teams MVP
Roethlisberger- Too many injuries

That leaves Plummer in IMO as one of the top 2 QB's in the MVP race, and I think Plummer is slightly better candidate than Carson because Dewnver will end with more wins than the Bengals.

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Your thought process really saddens me, but if you're just trying to get into the heads of the voters, I have to reluctantly agree that you're on the right track. 'Best QB on a top-tier team' is basically the Heisman voting process and looking back at guys like McNair and Gannon winning MVPs, the NFL voting criteria might not be much different.

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I'll second the Ladanian vote. (As a NYer, even saying "LT2" is too close to saying "LT," which is sacred, so I just call him Ladanian.)

As an aside, does anyone know where to get a hold of some old football games on film? I'm specifically interested in watching LT(1). Torrents would work...

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this is the only thing I've ever ran across, but I've never seen any seeders for it. If you ever come across something PLEASE let me know about it somehow. I'd love to see some of this stuff.

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Way to come to your conclusion before looking at facts.

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What was said in my second post was known to me when I made my first post. My second post just further expanded my thought process to you.

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<font color="red"> Shaun Alexander </font> is the NFL MVP right now.
Offensive POY LaDanian Tomlinson
Defensive MVP Dwight Freeney
Offensive ROY Heath Miller
Defensive ROY <font color="red"> Derrick Johnson </font>
Coach of the Year Jon Gruden

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Associated Press MVP's Since the Merger
1967 Johnny Unitas / Daryle Lamonica
1968 Earl Morrall / Joe Namath
1969 Roman Gabriel / Namath
1970 John Brodie
1971 Alan Page
1972 Larry Brown
1973 O.J. Simpson
1974 Ken Stabler
1975 Fran Tarkenton
1976 Bert Jones
1977 Walter Payton
1978 Terry Bradshaw
1979 Earl Campbell
1980 Brian Sipe
1981 Ken Anderson
1982 Mark Moseley
1983 Joe Theismann
1984 Dan Marino
1985 Marcus Allen
1986 Lawrence Taylor
1987 John Elway
1988 Boomer Esiason
1989 Joe Montana
1990 Joe Montana
1991 Thurman Thomas
1992 Steve Young
1993 Emmitt Smith
1994 Steve Young
1995 Brett Favre
1996 Brett Favre
1997 Brett Favre / Barry Sanders
1998 Terrell Davis
1999 Kurt Warner
2000 Marshall Faulk
2001 Kurt Warner
2002 Rich Gannon
2003 Peyton Manning / Steve McNair
2004 Peyton Manning

AP Offensive Player of the Year
Note the award was started in 1972
1972 - Larry Brown, RB Washington
1973 - O.J. Simpson, RB Buffalo
1974 - Ken Stabler, QB Oakland
1975 - Fran Tarkenton, QB Minnesota
1976 - Bert Jones, QB Baltimore
1977 - Walter Payton, RB Chicago
1978 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston
1979 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston
1980 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston
1981 - Ken Anderson, QB Cincinnati
1982 - Dan Fouts, QB San Diego
1983 - Joe Theismann, QB Washington
1984 - Dan Marino, QB Miami
1985 - Marcus Allen, RB LA Raiders
1986 - Eric Dickerson, RB LA Rams
1987 - Jerry Rice, WR San Francisco
1988 - Roger Craig, RB San Francisco
1989 - Joe Montana, QB San Francisco
1990 - Warren Moon, QB Houston
1991 - Thurman Thomas, RB Buffalo
1992 - Steve Young, QB San Francisco
1993 - Jerry Rice, WR San Francisco
1994 - Barry Sanders, RB Detroit
1995 - Brett Favre, QB Green Bay
1996 - Terrell Davis, RB Denver
1997 - Barry Sanders, RB Detroit
1998 - Terrell Davis, RB Denver
1999 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis
2000 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis
2001 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis
2002 - Priest Holmes, RB Kansas City
2003 - Jamal Lewis, RB Baltimore
2004 - Peyton Manning, QB Indianapolis



Including AFL and Co- MVP's 30/43 MVP were QB's
Offensive players of the year 12/33 were QB's

Essentialy for a non QB to win MVP they must have an extradoniary season, or for a QB to win offensive POY they must have an extraordinary statistical season. Furthermore most of these QB's are on top 5 teams in the NFL. Therefore based on previous voter trends the most likely canditates for the MVP award are
Peyton, Roethlisberger, Carson, Plummer, Delhomme, and Hasselbeck.
Earlier I stated my reasoning for why Peyton, Roethlisberger, Carson, and Delhomme should not be MVP, and I think Hasselbeck falls into the category where he is not the MVP of his own team. While there maybe a problem with the mindset of voters, based on there mindsets recently I think Plummer and Carson are one two in the MVP race.