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is he raising this turn with hands you don't beat? I can't see someone raising this turn with a flush draw or 7-weak kicker against your aggression pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn



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1. Why cant you see a fd raising? People often make such semi-bluffs.

2. Are you suggesting I can fold to a t/r? I have outs.

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is he raising this turn with hands you don't beat? I can't see someone raising this turn with a flush draw or 7-weak kicker against your aggression pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn



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1. Why cant you see a fd raising? People often make such semi-bluffs.

2. Are you suggesting I can fold to a t/r? I have outs.

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no not at all - I'm just trying to understand better

I'm not trying to make the play seem bad or anything - just trying to see why people play it their way

isn't it pretty rare to see someone semi bluff raise the flop AND the turn? especially an unknown?

Re: Missing Bets?
 

If you check-raise turn and will be 3-bet you have to call getting 9:1

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isn't it pretty rare to see someone semi bluff the flop AND the turn? especially an unknown?

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yeah, somewhat rare. but not so rare that i feel safe i'm not getting raised. keep in mind that AJ or KJ might raise the turn as well, thinking that I was merely defending against a freecard play. the point is, since i want to see a showdown, i'm not gonna like paying 2 on the turn, and this is a distinct possiblity of i donkbet.

EDIT: c/raising the turn is a different story, since now you have some fold equity against at least some hands that beat yours. but i'm not convinced a turn c/r is right either, because not all that many hands fall into this category.

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isn't it pretty rare to see someone semi bluff the flop AND the turn? especially an unknown?

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yeah, somewhat rare. but not so rare that i feel safe i'm not getting raised. keep in mind that AJ or KJ might raise the turn as well, thinking that I was merely defending against a freecard play. the point is, since i want to see a showdown, i'm not gonna like paying 2 on the turn, and this is a distinct possiblity of i donkbet.

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that makes sense

it just seems weird to be giving free cards with a decent but vulnerable hand (especially with the flush draw out there)

I would think check/calling the turn would be the worst of check/raising, bet/calling and bet/folding - but can be persuaded otherwise

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it just seems weird to be giving free cards with a decent but vulnerable hand (especially with the flush draw out there)

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a fd at 5/10 short is going to be betting this turn for me like 90% of the time.
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I would think check/calling the turn would be the worst of check/raising, bet/calling and bet/folding - but can be persuaded otherwise

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bet folding is pretty bad, since you have outs.

a case can be made me for bet/calling and folding the river UI, but i still dont like it.

i think its pretty clearly between c/calling and c/raising.

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If you're worried about the flush draw, why not donk the turn and call down if raised?

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I think that checkraising the turn is a decent idea here, since you can comfortably fold to a reraise.

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I don't think you should be too comfortable folding getting 9:1 with a hand that could very well be drawing live.

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If you're worried about the flush draw, why not donk the turn and call down if raised?

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read my previous posts -- i explained why i'm not crazy about this.