Re: How not to deal at the final table
 

yeah, gunny really blew this one. Oh well. On paper it is a good deal for her.

Re: How not to deal at the final table
 

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maybe he didn't even know about ICM calcs? he was a noob that luckboxed his way to the FT.

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I'm a tourney retard, what's ICM calcs?

Re: How not to deal at the final table
 

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maybe he didn't even know about ICM calcs? he was a noob that luckboxed his way to the FT.

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I'm a tourney retard, what's ICM calcs?

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Independent Chip Model - Basically, a method for determining chip value during a tourney.

BTW, how is the butter treating you?

Re: How not to deal at the final table
 

Awesome Avatar.

Just, awesome.

ICM
 

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Independent Chip Model - Basically, a method for determining chip value during a tourney.

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So, being ICM-clueless myself, I went to that page and read about it. Then I downloaded the C source, compiled it (Cygwin) without difficulty and ran it. It looked to my cursory glance like it was s'posed to determine the EV's for stacks of 18, 24, and 30 in a tournament down to three players with payoffs of .2, .3, and .5

So Q1: Are my assumptions correct?

When I ran it, it printed out:

72.000 0.25 0.3333 0.4166667

which seems to be:


total_chips %stack1 %stack2 %stack3

Then it went into a long waiting period and then spit out one row of numbers:

1816214400 0.250000 0.303571 0.446429 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000 0.305357

and a table. The table appears to be probabilities of people finishing in certain positions. But there's no guidance on how to interpret that.

In short, this program (presumably) does the heavy lifting nicely, but doesn't cross the t's and dot the i's, enabling a lay user to make much use of it.

(Even a comment or two tossed into the source would have gone a long way)

I may go have a look at the C++ source now and see if it's more useful. Does anybody wanna sell me a vowel?

Regards, Lee

Re: ICM
 

So I grabbed the C++ source and tried to compile it. I get a gazillion compilation errors - it looks like maybe I don't have some include files I need (#include "vector").

Help.

Thanks, Lee

Re: ICM
 

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With that site there is actually a javascript ICM Calculator. It is easier to use, though its limited to only 3 payout places.

Re: ICM
 

Lee,

The Single Table Tournaments board has a whole lot of experience using ICM, so I took your questions and posted them over in STT. They'll probably have the best answers.

Re: How not to deal at the final table
 

My first "Win" came when my opponent had a 3:2 chip lead and offered a 50-50 split. Oh, hell yes.

What is the normal payout distribution?
 

What is the normal payout $$$ distribution for first & second?