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11-02-2005 12:09 PM

Re: JJ weak line - help needed
 
How about taking control of the hand PF? He is the CO and is the first to open. He could have a wide range of hands in this situation. Re-raise PF. Isn't there about a 70% (e.g., I think) chance that an over card will come on the flop if your holding JJ? Wouldn't a re-raise PF make your hand appear stronger and also provide more scare cards that your opponent has to worry about. If he isn't worried then it is easier to get away from. Please critique. Thanks

4_2_it 11-02-2005 12:31 PM

Re: JJ weak line - help needed
 
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How about taking control of the hand PF? He is the CO and is the first to open. He could have a wide range of hands in this situation. Re-raise PF. Isn't there about a 70% (e.g., I think) chance that an over card will come on the flop if your holding JJ? Wouldn't a re-raise PF make your hand appear stronger and also provide more scare cards that your opponent has to worry about. If he isn't worried then it is easier to get away from. Please critique. Thanks

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Good catch. To OP, you also should have raised pre-flop, you pansy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Skuzzy 11-02-2005 12:41 PM

Re: JJ weak line - help needed
 
OK - I see where raising preflop comes from but...

This is really a win it right there move isn't it? If he calls, and if any unknown calls a preflop re-raise he has diagrammed AA, KK, QQ, AK hasn't he? So then what? Any over card on the flop doesnt really give us leverage it scares the hell out of us and is 'likely' to make him a monster holding. Now I have a pair of Jacks in a big head up pot that I'm likely behind in. We may be diagramming the same hand but as the bettor aren't we by default less likely to have it?

Help

joecacti 11-02-2005 12:43 PM

Re: JJ weak line - help needed
 
Someone else said it best: don't be afraid to lose.

In any case, you never got a feel for the flavor of COs hand. On the button, you should raise preflop here about 80% of the time. At least you'll have an idea of your opponents holding. But it's OK to call behind once in a while to mix it up.

Say you do call behind preflop, you MUST raise the flop to see where you are. If he comes over, then you're happy with your fold. He had a better hyand or has bigger balls. In the first case, great fold. In the second case, you're in great position to stack him later...

4_2_it 11-02-2005 12:52 PM

Re: JJ weak line - help needed
 
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This is really a win it right there move isn't it? If he calls, and if any unknown calls a preflop re-raise he has diagrammed AA, KK, QQ, AK hasn't he?

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No it's not. Cutoff was first in. His raising range should be broad. He may be stealing the blinds (especially if he knows the button is weak-tight [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

By raising you let him know you have something. Of course if he fires back all-in then you fold(you still lose less in this situation than the way you played it). If not, you bet any flop.

Another thing you need to think about is using your position. You have a good hand to play from the button and you got a flop that you can bet/raise into.

Final thought. So what if you take it down preflop? Isn't winning the blinds plus his $4 better than losing $30 or more?


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