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durron597 11-02-2005 09:00 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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A raise to 75 is a fairly large raise and it is coming from UTG+1. My range in his shoes is KK+, AK so I'm not too eager to play AQ in this spot.

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Oh come on, you don't raise QQ here? Do you consider yourself on the tight end of the spectrum?

MegaBet 11-02-2005 09:02 AM

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What range do you put villain on?

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AJ+, TT+ seems like a reasonable range

maybe you could go as loose as: 88+, AT+, KQ

A raise to 75 is a fairly large raise and it is coming from UTG+1. My range in his shoes is KK+, AK so I'm not too eager to play AQ in this spot.

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You're right in thinking that KK+, AK SHOULD be the range for villain in his position, but this is a $55 so I'm not going to automatically give him credit for it. Also, assuming you are the only caller, you have position on HIM thoughout the hand. Depending on how well you play post-flop, this is a definite "call and see" scenario.

bawcerelli 11-02-2005 09:08 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
i should have noted that when choosing one style of play over another, i generally lean towards weak-tight. so it's an easy fold for a weak-tightie.

applejuicekid 11-02-2005 09:08 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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A raise to 75 is a fairly large raise and it is coming from UTG+1. My range in his shoes is KK+, AK so I'm not too eager to play AQ in this spot.

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Oh come on, you don't raise QQ here? Do you consider yourself on the tight end of the spectrum?

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I wouldn't raise to 75 here with QQ. But let us say I did, would that make calling with AQ more attractive?

applejuicekid 11-02-2005 09:13 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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What range do you put villain on?

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AJ+, TT+ seems like a reasonable range

maybe you could go as loose as: 88+, AT+, KQ

A raise to 75 is a fairly large raise and it is coming from UTG+1. My range in his shoes is KK+, AK so I'm not too eager to play AQ in this spot.

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You're right in thinking that KK+, AK SHOULD be the range for villain in his position, but this is a $55 so I'm not going to automatically give him credit for it. Also, assuming you are the only caller, you have position on HIM thoughout the hand. Depending on how well you play post-flop, this is a definite "call and see" scenario.

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I agree that seeing a flop in position with AQ against an average $55 is a good situation to be in. I would like calling here much more if I was on the button, but even then I would still fold most of the time. The main thing I don't like about calling here is if the villain's range is tight, you are often times far behind. However, if his range is loose you will end up folding the best hand on the flop a lot of the time. Will the times you outplay him postflop make up for this?

MegaBet 11-02-2005 09:37 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
What hands make you "way behind"? AA, KK, AK, QQ...that's it.

durron597 11-02-2005 09:43 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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I wouldn't raise to 75 here with QQ. But let us say I did, would that make calling with AQ more attractive?

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No, I'm just saying. And again, you are definitely tighter than the average $55er.

What would you do with QQ?

applejuicekid 11-02-2005 09:50 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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I wouldn't raise to 75 here with QQ. But let us say I did, would that make calling with AQ more attractive?

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No, I'm just saying. And again, you are definitely tighter than the average $55er.

What would you do with QQ?

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Raise to 65 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Truth is I forgot to add QQ, but should have included it.

applejuicekid 11-02-2005 09:51 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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What hands make you "way behind"? AA, KK, AK, QQ...that's it.

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And what range would you put a tight $55er on? These hands make up a large portion of such a range.

durron597 11-02-2005 10:30 AM

Re: $55\'s... I don\'t see any good coming from this
 
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What hands make you "way behind"? AA, KK, AK, QQ...that's it.

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And what range would you put a tight $55er on? These hands make up a large portion of such a range.

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Nobody every said UTG+1 was tight. In fact he's already won a 400 chip pot, do we know what he did it with?


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