Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

This is awful

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This is awful

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With respect, screw you. I hate posts like this. It is one thing to begin a post with "this is awful" but to only type that is utterly atrocious.

Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

I think your preflop here would make baby jesus cry. FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD

I don't care that you are getting 12:1
What flops do you want to see? Your ten will often be second best to another ten. If it isn't, it will be a chop, or, it will often be second best to a better pair like when the flop comes AT2 or QT2. Oftentimes, you won't even flop a pair. You can't make any 2 card straights or flushes. T4 is such a bad hand.
This sounds like a bad call, but its much worse than it sounds, because you are guaranteed to be OOP for the whole hand, and for all your know the BB might raise.

Nothing shrt of omniscience will let you play this for a profit.

Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

You're getting 11:1 preflop. And you have T4o. This is a pretty easy fold. T4s, I call; T9o, I call; hell, even 74o, I call. But T4o is just a tiny bit too icky for me.

I like the postflop play. While I wouldn't rule anything out on Party 2/4, I doubt you're getting called by any worse hands if you bet the river. And I don't want to give the free card on the turn, nor do I want to c/r if BB bets again.

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I like the postflop play.

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Even the flop call? I'm just not sure Hero wants to see any card but a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4.

Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

I like leading the flop too. It prevents the hand from getting checked around, and it also helps to define your hand when it gets raised twice behind you.

I like leading the turn. There's no reason to believe that BB will follow through on 4th after he just bet his bottom pair, pocket deuces, or ace high and got 3 callers.

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I like the postflop play.

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Even the flop call? I'm just not sure Hero wants to see any card but a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4.

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Getting 10:1, I think it's worth continuing. With the drawy nature of the flop, there's no guarantee that anyone else has anything yet, let alone another T.

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I like the postflop play.

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Even the flop call? I'm just not sure Hero wants to see any card but a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4.

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Getting 10:1, I think it's worth continuing. With the drawy nature of the flop, there's no guarantee that anyone else has anything yet, let alone another T.

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Thanks. I usually tend to stay out of these situations because of the RIO on my hand, especially with many callers on the flop. I feel much better about a mediocre top pair no kicker in a 3 handed pot than a 6 handed one.

Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

1. Fold pre-flop. If you are completing with T4o you are completely with any two cards. And surely you're not doing that in a 1/2 structure.

2. Flop is correct.

3. Turn looks like a good spot to check-raise for value in a five way field.

River plays different if you check-raise the turn.

Re: How about this one...T4 in SB
 

if you are going to complete with this hand (?) you need to lead on the flop.