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What hand did that 2+2er have and play well? JJ?

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

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I'm there quite a bit, usually on Wed and Thur but also now and again on the weekends, more now that the summer is over. PM me when you are heading down and we can exchange cell #'s and meet up. BTW, I live in Sudbury and maybe we can get a home game going so I can properly break in my new poker table.

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you guys should post in here when it happens so I can have a chance to say hi. I played the 20/40 game for the first time saturday night and it was quite a ride.

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

Well I will be there tomorrow night (Wed). I may very well be down there on Sunday as well.

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

You give up SOOOO much value by not capping here in a 4 way pot. I really, really hate just calling the 3 bet, especially since the 2+2er has been 3 betting you a lot (even though this isn't a spot where you'd expect him to 3 bet light).

I'd call for my 2 outter (getting 20:1 and good enough implied odds). Fold the river unimproved (I'd fold if the board pairs too).

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

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you have 2 Q outs and probably have the remaining 2s and 4s as outs to counterfeit a two pair hand

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Probably not.

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I'd call for my 2 outter (getting 20:1 and good enough implied odds). Fold the river unimproved (I'd fold if the board pairs too).

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I agree 100%. UTG+1 called 3 cold on the flop and c/red the turn. That SCREAMS set. Even with the size of the pot I don't think you'll win enough to make a river call worth it unimproved.

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

Were his 3-bets light? For instance, did he 3-bet you with AJ previously? If so, this is a certain cap in my book PF. If not, with the meat in the middle, I still like capping. Though if you felt he definitely had a premium hand in this instance, I understand the call.

On the flop, I think this is perfect.

On the turn, I think 3-betting is bad poker. You have to call for set value. The question is, can you find a fold on the river? I can't.

- Jim

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

The 2+2'er had been 3 betting me quite a bit in the 5 orbits, this may have been the 4th time, so my gut reaction was to cap PF. But I had raised two limpers so, I thought that he wouldn't 3 bet light here and I just wimped out and called. I should have capped; that was clearly my worst decision in the hand.

I obviously didn't fold, but 3 betting was out of the question. I had outs against a T8 or was still ahead of something like AT that he decided to get frisky with, so I called. Also, something seemed wierd about the cold call on the flop, why not cap with a set?

The river was K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG+1 bet, EP folded, it was a huge pot and I must be good 5% of the time here, so I called.

He turned over 97 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for 9 high and MHIG.

He called 3 cold on the flop with a back door gutshot SF draw and semibluffed the turn when he hit his OESD. I told you it was a good table.

I don't know what the 2+2'er had, if he remembers the hand he might want to say, but he might have had something like 99, JJ or AK/AQ suited in [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s or [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s

Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

Um, wow? I guess it's time for a new note:

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UTG+1 (let's call him loose PF, avg post)

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Re: QQ Under Fire on the turn
 

Cap preflop, first and foremost. Your pot equity edge is pretty significant.

Flop is good.

I don't think I can let this go on the turn. I'm calling down.

Will