Re: Odds and Stud
 

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Basically, u need to stop thinking like a hold em player here.


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You may well be right there. I swear, I don't recall seeing much of anything in 7CSFAP about odds and their calculation.

---Leavenfish

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in one of those 2 books there are some charts about odds of hitting your flushes and straights depending on the number of dead cards you can see.

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I do see exactly what I am looking for on pages38 and 39 of Theory of Poker. Only it doesn't go far enough. If the info given for Number of Spades beside your own and Chances for a flush were given on 4th street and maybe 5th street as well, then that would be great. Same for Straights. I am not sure of the math to try figuring this out on my own and was hoping someone would know of a chart showing this.

---Leavenfish

Re: Odds and Stud
 

buy othmers book it will have all you need.

Pat

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Re: Odds and Stud
 

I didn't say that I think Othmer is a good book. I only meant to say that it has what you're looking for, possibly to a greater extent than you'd like. I've never finished that book myself. It's dense and less-than-readable, and I'm able to beat the local $6/12 game pretty handily as it is.

This site has the kind of information that you're looking for. Using the information given, you could probably develop a similar chart for straight draws using nothing more than a pocket calculator. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days.

I evaluate straight and flush draws more by feel than anything else. On third street, it's fairly straightforward. If zero or one of your suit is out, your hand is live and almost always worth playing. If three of your suit are out, it's dead, and probably not worth playing unless there is something that is unusually favorable.

On fourth, it becomes more complicated because you have to consider not only how many of your suit have shown, but how many total cards have shown. I have a good feel for what's a good situation and what's not. I don't have any rules of thumb or anything. I suppose that this isn't too helpful.